To be fair to rowling middle aged redditors were probably not the intended audience
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@RustyCrab she got bronied
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@sun @RustyCrab it's so funny how rightoids (correctly) called Harry Potter poorly written shit for children and making fun of it's adult fans for over a decade and then Rowling became a chud and now they all jack off to it
@vriska @RustyCrab nothing has to be good in any way in its original form to make good jackoff material out of it
@vriska @RustyCrab I am not an HP fan but it is actually noticeably better children's fiction than anything else I've seen, she put a lot of work into worldbuilding and creative ideas and continuity.
@ageha @RustyCrab @vriska not a lot but I lived with a couple that read the popular stuff. I am just not a childrens book fan and, to correct myself, I did read the first two to see what was up and the first two are not exceptional but are competent, but the later ones I had a friend go over them with me and they are impressively set up imo.
@ageha @RustyCrab @vriska by contrast I have been hearing very very bad things about contemporary scifi writing for the most part which is taken moderately more seriously (when did scifi start getting taken seriously, despite there being some good scifi in the past)
@sun @RustyCrab @vriska
well written children's lit is like katherine rundell. creative children's lit is like garth nix. hally port is neither
well written children's lit is like katherine rundell. creative children's lit is like garth nix. hally port is neither
@ageha @RustyCrab @vriska it is very conventional thesis for a childrens book, wow I am just like the kid that is mistreated but is actually special but it's elevated to a very good version of that genre.
@sun @RustyCrab @vriska
here read a lot kids' stuff when small of course, lots also while library working to keep up on recommendations for child patrons, and then dipped in now then since
it's plodding and derivative, easily lost in the fog when read among peers. a contemporary competitor, doing basically the same thing but much better, is jonathan stroud's bartimaeus books
here read a lot kids' stuff when small of course, lots also while library working to keep up on recommendations for child patrons, and then dipped in now then since
it's plodding and derivative, easily lost in the fog when read among peers. a contemporary competitor, doing basically the same thing but much better, is jonathan stroud's bartimaeus books
@sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co this is a bad take. I loved harry potter as a kid but I remember lots of other great books and authors from my childhood that I am 99% would hold up a lot better. Dianna Wynne Jones, Robin McKinley, Garth Nix and Phillip Pullman are some examples I can think of off the top of my head.
And while I do think Harry Potter was very creative, worldbuilding and continuity in the series are objectively terrible.
And while I do think Harry Potter was very creative, worldbuilding and continuity in the series are objectively terrible.
@anemone @vriska @RustyCrab you know what I'm a bad fiction reader tbh so I'll say it's better than slop. I can only compare it to philip pullman which I think is overrated tbh
@sun @RustyCrab @anemone @vriska
yeh, his dark materials has a good first book and then falls off a steep cliff, like speed-running narnia with themes reversed
yeh, his dark materials has a good first book and then falls off a steep cliff, like speed-running narnia with themes reversed
@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu @sun@shitposter.world @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @vriska@lizards.live the third book especially isn't great but the series still is more interesting than harry potter
@anemone @vriska @RustyCrab @sun
too begin with, yeh. lewis also an insufferable bigot, but narnia's better that way too
too begin with, yeh. lewis also an insufferable bigot, but narnia's better that way too
@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @sun@shitposter.world regardless of flaws, I think I got more out of his dark materials than narnia which despite knowing it was much more than this, I mainly remember for it's finale being yet another one to throw on the pile of evidence christianity is a death cult
@anemone @vriska @RustyCrab @sun
meant better than hally port. for here lewis and pullman are basically peers that way, makes sense coming from the same milieu and latter intentionally echoing former, things that get in your head when young and then ouch back out again. guess if it saves some kids from religion that's a step in lyra's favour but
honestly even like redwall has more to it than hally port, though dunno could handle going back to at current age unless with kids to read to
meant better than hally port. for here lewis and pullman are basically peers that way, makes sense coming from the same milieu and latter intentionally echoing former, things that get in your head when young and then ouch back out again. guess if it saves some kids from religion that's a step in lyra's favour but
honestly even like redwall has more to it than hally port, though dunno could handle going back to at current age unless with kids to read to
@ageha @RustyCrab @anemone @vriska harry potter is a kids book isn't philip pullman a young adult book, different standard
@sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu aside from maybe the first book harry potter is YA
@sun @RustyCrab @anemone @ageha it became ya by 4
@sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu i mean the series pretty much follows the exact YA template
@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @sun@shitposter.world oh shit i forgot about redwall. my first exposure to authors who write excessively about food
@sun @vriska @RustyCrab check out Robert C. O'Brien.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._O%27Brien_(author)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._O%27Brien_(author)
@vriska @sun @RustyCrab We still think it's poorly written shit but sometimes you just get gifted a big and powerful retard who wants to fight your battles for free by God, so you just cheer for the retard as it mauls hundreds of enemies.
@nerthos @RustyCrab @sun it's pretty spineless
@vriska@lizards.live @nerthos@shitposter.world @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @sun@shitposter.world it’s funny since they have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of her still being a turbolib in other ways like making snape black
@anemone @vriska @RustyCrab @sun As I said, we don't like her or really agree with her, we just pretend to vaguely support her because the balance of effort in saying "I love harry potter" and how much grief it causes to the enemy is very very good.
@sun @RustyCrab @anemone @vriska I enjoyed them as a kid but with the caveat that I read the Spanish translated version, which was translated and edited by actually competent writers, and thus skipped the whole "she writes like I did at 9" part of the work. When I checked the originals I couldn't put up with it.
@nerthos @RustyCrab @anemone @sun hypocrisy is a great sin and the mark of a loser
@vriska @RustyCrab @anemone @sun Would you argue that being super honourable and moral in the face of amoral hypocrites is a good and functional idea?
You yourself discard your own rules of engagement when you have little enough respect for someone.
You yourself discard your own rules of engagement when you have little enough respect for someone.
@nerthos@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @sun@shitposter.world I never stoop to hypocrisy
@anemone @vriska @RustyCrab @nerthos hypocrisy is bad but it doesn't seem even as bad as an actually bad thing, it feels like americans are more bothered by hypocrisy than murder or whatever
@sun @anemone @RustyCrab @nerthos @vriska I'm not even sure Americans are against hypocrisy so much as they see hypocrisy as ammunition that they (who are also hypocrites) can use against other hypocrites and vice versa.
@thomasroiloup @RustyCrab @anemone @nerthos @vriska I agree that hypocrisy is grossly offensive to me but I have to get a handle on it not being as bad as the bad thing
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I can’t muster the energy to get worked up about every damn hypocrite when it’s in a sea of hypocrites. I hate it but can’t do anything about it.
@sun @RustyCrab @anemone @nerthos @vriska
I can’t muster the energy to get worked up about every damn hypocrite when it’s in a sea of hypocrites. I hate it but can’t do anything about it.
@sun @RustyCrab @anemone @nerthos @vriska
@thomasroiloup @sun @RustyCrab @anemone @nerthos @vriska I mean, I am against hypocrisy
its especially interesting that whenever I am accused of it, its because I understand something fundamental that the other people just doesnt comprehend
its especially interesting that whenever I am accused of it, its because I understand something fundamental that the other people just doesnt comprehend
@nerthos @RustyCrab @anemone @sun everyone is guilty of hypocrisy but only the people who are worthwhile are capable of admitting it and admitting it's bad
@nerthos@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @sun@shitposter.world this is just Star Wars the last Jedi in reverse
I went on Reddit one time.
Left what I felt was a helpful comment in a forum.
Got downvoted and hit with comments I didn't understand, such as "cuckoldry is actually an intellectual's fetish" and " wait until my wife's bull hears about this"
Successfully gatekept their community. Props.
Left what I felt was a helpful comment in a forum.
Got downvoted and hit with comments I didn't understand, such as "cuckoldry is actually an intellectual's fetish" and " wait until my wife's bull hears about this"
Successfully gatekept their community. Props.
@sun @RustyCrab is that a euphamism for 🐎🍇