This place has gone downhill and X has recovered a lot, basically if x isn’t run by censorious jerks the value proposition of decentralized is weakened a lot
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50The things I think are good and useful about decentralized social justice don’t matter to people and you can’t make them matter. Give people a big decently run locked down service and people don’t want anything else
@vriska better quality than here lately
@sun the value is that you guys are gonna look at age verification laws and say "haha no kill yourself"
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>the value proposition of decentralized is weakened a lot
The value of decentralization is still the same.
However the perceived value of decentralization will change in people's mind, because comfort and many other tricks.
It's the same issue in any system where people can't predict obvious outcomes.
Like people refusing NFT for their art business. Or crypto to solve the problem of banks. Or new protocols like gnunet etc...
>the value proposition of decentralized is weakened a lot
The value of decentralization is still the same.
However the perceived value of decentralization will change in people's mind, because comfort and many other tricks.
It's the same issue in any system where people can't predict obvious outcomes.
Like people refusing NFT for their art business. Or crypto to solve the problem of banks. Or new protocols like gnunet etc...
@neopolitan yeah his place does have a value proposition but people are probably gonna fall in line on age verification
@anemone better conversation is a happening there now if you cut through the shit
@sun some stuff is Not Optional if you want to have Job and be able to Exist. I'm opting out of anything that isn't full on mandatory personally.
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>and you can’t make them matter.
It doesn't matter because they don't see the damage it's causing as all the damage is indirect.
>Give people a big decently run locked down service and people don’t want anything else
You forgot to add, free of cost service.
That's the main issue that many gov should have acted from the beginning as they were from the start not financially and are still not financially viable.
The only reason they still exist now is because under the disguise of creating value from advertisement etc... it's a crowd control tool/experiment for govs globally.
>and you can’t make them matter.
It doesn't matter because they don't see the damage it's causing as all the damage is indirect.
>Give people a big decently run locked down service and people don’t want anything else
You forgot to add, free of cost service.
That's the main issue that many gov should have acted from the beginning as they were from the start not financially and are still not financially viable.
The only reason they still exist now is because under the disguise of creating value from advertisement etc... it's a crowd control tool/experiment for govs globally.
@anemone recently they demonetized the top 3% of earners because they did an analysis and foundthatnthey just reposted content from other people
@sun horrid take moon
@anemone I got back on to look around and I see nothing about musk
@meso I just went back and saw a bunch of people that used to come here are happy on there so they’re never going to come here it’s just a fact
@vriska a big portion of who I follow is Africans women who used to sell NFTs lol
You can pretty much cultivate a great Twitter timeline with smart responding and following. Twitter stopped being so censorious so it's not surprised fedi thinned out. But Twitter's userbase is definitely retarded.
Right, and it works. I rarely if ever encounter annoying people on Twitter.
Big facts.
@sun > decentralized social justice
@sun Twitter is just the fediverse's biggest containment instance.
@anemone if I couldn’t use a site run by a fucking asshole how could I use my own site
@sun idk, i think fedi is functionally different compared to centralized services, and most people don't care for that. to me fedi more feels like an async irc, which is nice if you are interested in long term interactions that have a bit of depth. centralized services always have the feeling of standing in a limitless crowd of buskers competing for coins.
@sun nah fuck hex. they still are censorus as fuck
@sun There's a few people from Twitter I miss but for the most part the stuff I see from there is the same toxic shit that's always plagued the site.
@sun lol twitter just did this this morning are you insane
@sun @neopolitan they also fall in line on israel. fuck "people"
@sun a lot of the people who came here during the twitter migrations were sold on it being "twitter but not censored", and so they'll always naturally compare it to twitter, and when twitter "gets better" they will abandon it
I was sold on this place as being the closest thing I could get to old internet culture, and I'd say it still is, which is one of the reasons I stay
I was sold on this place as being the closest thing I could get to old internet culture, and I'd say it still is, which is one of the reasons I stay
@sun Alt fedi is slowly trudging to the state where you made a node in and helped the network out of, mostly barren. Twitter has always had the massive advantage of being a monopoly in the social networking game so observers + people peer pressured into joining will always go on it and have a look around. My very subjective opinion on the matter is Twitter's userbase only changed by bringing previously banned users back on the site. Twitter in it of itself didn't have to do anything to actually have to compete.
@sun downhill how? people leaving?
@sun Realistically coming to this conclusion only matters to the people that are upset that Twitter is still around like I am. It's always been a toxic hellhole with bad actors that take advantage of it daily.
Zanzibart, forgive me...
@sun guys we're losing him
@sun Fedi has gone downhill a lot for me but that's mostly because most of the people I like don't post anymore
I tried xitter last year and nobody was interested in having normal conversations, totally rancid posting culture. Also re censorship I got a slap on the wrist for using the word "faggot" in a post
I tried xitter last year and nobody was interested in having normal conversations, totally rancid posting culture. Also re censorship I got a slap on the wrist for using the word "faggot" in a post
@binkle I staying too but there’s an observable decline compared to 2016-2018
@sun yeah of course I was just trying to say that the value proposition is dependent on what it was sold as case-by-case
@binkle to be clear I’m not saying people should go to twitter
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@sun i just tried to get one of the christian foxgirl posters to try it here but he just said he only uses X.
its become very hard to convince people when X isnt significantly shooting itself in the mouth anymore.
even though nonsense bans arent uncommon they're much more rare nowadays.
the last acc i lost was years ago when elon took over.
i'd have been banned 10 times already under dorsey
its become very hard to convince people when X isnt significantly shooting itself in the mouth anymore.
even though nonsense bans arent uncommon they're much more rare nowadays.
the last acc i lost was years ago when elon took over.
i'd have been banned 10 times already under dorsey
@sun x, etc. will never:
- not be censored
- have a chronological timeline, as opposed to some (((algorithm))) deciding what you see
- not have some sort of A(I)DS, in the form of "promoted" or "sponsored" shit
- not be censored
- have a chronological timeline, as opposed to some (((algorithm))) deciding what you see
- not have some sort of A(I)DS, in the form of "promoted" or "sponsored" shit
Everywhere is hemorrhaging users at the minute, I don't think its just a fedi issue. Twitter has become a lot worse under musk bc its impossible to talk to other people. Content is served regardless of what you want to see like bsky. I suspect more people are retreating to gcs rather than continue to engage with the open network
