Egregoros

12w

@WandererUber I'VE WORKED CONSTRUCTION, WHAT EXACTLY IS MEANT BY MODULAR HOMES?

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber NAILED JOISTS ARE MADE AT A FACTORY AND SHIPPED IN, THE BUILDING CODE ALREADY MAKES THE BUILDING FAIRLY MODULAR AS IN EVERYTHING IS MADE OF KNOWN STANDARDIZED ASSEMBLIES THAT SLOT TOGETHER

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Aether 卐🇲🇹☪️🇸🇦☭🇷🇺

@Aether@poa.st remote

12w

@nugger @WandererUber It's just Lego City for adults... except the instructions are missing and someone swears they don't need the bolts left over.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger the yet unreached platonic ideal of having a higher-level parts kit for houses than "brick" and "mortar" and "caulk" and "individual two by fours"
Some think we need tech like 3D printing, some just make big aircrete moulds, some make big ass wall sections in a sort of carpentry factory

you know. Modules.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger wind sure is blowing that-a-way

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@WandererUber my ideal home is a collection of RV trailers on a piece of land I own. When someone complains about it being not compliant with regulations, I take the RV trailers someplace else within 1 week

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber YOU MEAN LIKE THE HOUSE IS SEVERAL MANUFACTURED HOUSE STYLE ENCLOSURES SLID TOGETHER WITH PASSAGEWAYS IN BETWEEN THEM?

THE ONE BIG PROBLEM I SEE IS THE ROOFLINE WILL BE A MCMANSION STYLE LANDSCAPE OF HILLS AND VALLEYS THAT ARE A NIGHTMARE TO CLEAN, BUT MCMANSIONS ALREADY HAVE THAT

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger I'm not smart enough to predict what sort of tech will win out. It might well be that aircrete big blocks, maybe even made on-site, win out because of better insulation properties, or something different

but yes, basically that. I don't think the McMansion roof is a necessary consequence. If you standardize the dimensions of the room modules, you could have standardized roof sections that fit over it, and the corner piece would just be a corner piece.
It might even reduce McMansionification of the roof to have fewer available combinations

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Rwoeidk

@Rwoeidk@poa.st remote

12w

@WandererUber >Houses should be more like software.
I want mine to be like the sims 2 so I can get a robot slave

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@nugger @WandererUber shipping containers can be used as homes

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@kaia@pleroma.soykaf.com remote

12w

@SoylentGroyper @nugger has obvious downsides but perhaps someone will start making hoistable modules (steel frame, mount points for winches) in that form factor

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Kaia

12w

@WandererUber especially the ability to live alone without neighbors is not praised enough. if you have 15 direct neighbors in a condo, at least 1 or 2 will be loud, criminal, stinky or whatever.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@kaia I agree with that but I'm not sure how the condo being modular would solve this.
We should arrest loud stinky criminals again. That's the actual solution

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radians

12w

@WandererUber @SoylentGroyper @nugger This is basically reinventing the doublewide/manufactured home, and the logistics chain for those is already well solved.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st remote

12w

@radians @SoylentGroyper @nugger I'm not too well-versed in how they are used, but they can't be stacked for example, can they?

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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️

12w

@WandererUber I must be one of the nerds they’ve been laughing at 🤭

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wizard 🎃

@wizardmanperson@poa.st remote

12w

@WandererUber @nugger seems reasonable, but incentives are to make rooms smaller and roofs lower do you can fit more subhumans per square meter (coffin homes are trending goyim)

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radians

12w

@WandererUber @SoylentGroyper @nugger i can't think of any that assemble as a 2 story unit and Im not sure HUD code allows for this. You would have a very narrow structure. There would also be a question of what to do with the second floor frame. In normal manufactured home construction the steel floor frame also serves as the transport conveyance.

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nugger

12w

@radians @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper SUPPOSE A DOUBLE WIDE DOUBLE TALL WITH PILLARS THAT ARE LIKE BASEMENT JACKS FOR SAGGING FOUNDATIONS

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nugger

12w

@radians @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper THEN AGAIN HOW ARE YOU HAULING THE SECOND LAYER UP ON TOP OF THE FIRST
YOU NEED TO BRING A CRANE
THIS KINDA SUCKS

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger @radians @SoylentGroyper oh no, not a crane! We can't use cranes for construction, everyone knows that!

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radians

12w

@nugger @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper There's typically a crane on site anyway for the installation. the question would be about wind loading calculations and how much modification would have to be made to the base and foundation in order to not overturn.

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber @radians @SoylentGroyper WHAT AM I MADE OF MONEY??

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber @radians @SoylentGroyper IF IM BRINGING A CRANE I BETTER BUILD SOMETHING WITH MORE ROI THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME

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nugger

12w

@radians @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper IMAGINE IT JUST HAVING FUCKING BIG TRIANGLE CORNER BRACES THAT TAKE UP ALL THE LAWN AREA

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nugger

12w

@radians @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper SHIT WOULD LOOK LIKE A BUNKER

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radians

12w

@nugger @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper no it would look like those trap houses in the midwest that are only 15-16 feet wide.

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nugger

12w

@radians @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper HEY! I GREW UP IN A HOUSE LIKE THAT! 1934 VINTAGE!

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger @radians @SoylentGroyper what if you did it like this:

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radians

12w

@nugger @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper Return to tradition. About 75k depending on your regional needs.

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Soylent Groyp

@wizardmanperson@poa.st remote

12w

@WandererUber @nugger @radians reminds of Egyptian pyramid building theory
there are other ways, you could have a pile of sand, and pull the module up the pile,
or gradually raise it, like a car jack, and then put something below it, and repeat

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wizard 🎃

12w

@radians @nugger @WandererUber @SoylentGroyper strange arrangement, but can be made comfy i guess.

Fun fact, german government construction projects for housing apparently need to have the kitchen as its own thing with a door (that is fairly common as well) because muslims say the women need a separated place for their stuff.

I've heard that a few years ago from an architect working working on a govt housing project, when she questioned why putting a door in the kitchen since that could make it cheaper.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@SoylentGroyper @nugger @radians if they kept the shipping container format and frame, but stopped forcing themselves to use actual containers (not cheap! Not made for living in!) they could make them with a bunch of, maybe temporary, structural enhancements that would allow the upper models to go on top, kind of like a self-building crane. Or to enable it to "car jack" itself more easily

A lot of stuff is possible. The sand thing is cool but the Egyptians had the advantage that it was a desert so it wasn't a big issue if you left big ass piles of sands everywhere.
I doubt that would be cheaper today than to just use a crane.

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@WandererUber @nugger @radians the reason why a crane is bad, is that you depend on other people, which defeats the "life hack" effect. The ideal thing would be modules/trailers that a normal person can handle alone, with nothing but simple tools available without a license.
Building codes/zoning and all that, can be so bad that you need to apply for permission to live in an RV on your own land, it depends on the country&state. Movies are highly deceptive in showing us people having freedoms that we have long lost in real life.
There are these videos "I built my own home in a forest" or "I live in a cave in the woods", but I suspect all of them have an "untold story" behind them and are not actually something you can legally do.

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nugger

12w

@SoylentGroyper @WandererUber @radians HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE DIY SOLARPUNK STUFF

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nugger

12w

@SoylentGroyper @WandererUber @radians WHICH REALLY PUTS US AT AN IMPASSE
BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE GOOD TECH FOR BOTH LARGE SCALE (PANEL COMMIEBLOCS) AND SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION
IT'S A QUESTION OF CODES AND WHAT THE STATE POWER WANTS OUT OF HOUSING WHICH IS A PROBLEM OF POLITICS AND LEADS TO SPECULATION OF WHAT THE HYPOTHETICAL WHEN WE WIN POLICIES SHOULD BE

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger @SoylentGroyper @radians You forget the people that have helped us out of similar pinches in several areas like pharmaceuticals, replacement parts for electronics, and transportation: the Chinese!

Code this, code that. If the Chinese catch wind of the single-family home modular construction trend, Vevor WILL start selling 100 ton DIY gantry cranes and I WILL be buying one
it'll all be okay

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber @SoylentGroyper @radians I LIKED THE OUTDOOR PATIO THEY SOLD ME FOR GRANDMA'S BUT I HAD TO GET A PERMIT FOR IT FROM THE TOWNSHIP

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger @SoylentGroyper @radians they won't be able to enforce it once it picks up steam is my point
the problem is that the tech isn't there yet.

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@WandererUber @nugger @radians "did anyone say 'manufactule' ?"

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@nugger @WandererUber @radians "white slums have never been tried"

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@SoylentGroyper @nugger @radians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1H_TWuaYao

"Code will stop this"

"it is too late, Chudjak. The Chinese have already begun production"

>under $2000 for a single module
damn

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber @SoylentGroyper @radians YOU HAVE TO PAY $10000 FINE FOR VIOLATING THE ZONING LAW PLUS $300 FOR EVERY DAY YOU FAIL TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE IT FROM YOUR PROPERTY

YOU DO AT LEAST OWN THE LAND YOU'VE PUT THIS OWN, RIGHT?

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nugger

12w

@WandererUber @SoylentGroyper @radians HIDING YOUR DOMICILE LIKE A VIETCONG TUNNEL FUTURISM

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Soylent Groyp

12w

@nugger @WandererUber @radians

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@nugger @SoylentGroyper @radians nugger I don't know how to put this but I am 84 years old, live in a small dinghy off the coast of Honduras, and subsist on condensation and meager catches of oddly deformed fish.

my ass is not buying a house. And if I did build a structure, I would do unnanounced earth works deep in my forest property and cover the entire structure in turf so the Thiel satellites won't pick it up

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

12w

@SoylentGroyper @nugger @radians this is the future without QA-checked modules

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nugger