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@GoyGirl @Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @KekistaniWanderer @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui Hey I’m 100% down with ancestor veneration; the existence of a real-life man Odin at some point in the far-distant past is highly likely. Even if he’s a glorified symbolic idealized mish-mash of a Type, it doesn’t mean he didn’t really exist.

Now I certainly don’t think it makes a lot of sense to point to the semi-historical legends about the guy, as some ”shining example” for how White Men are supposed to pattern our day-to-day lives. But what is it that the Pan-Evropeen Pagan Unification guys are going for, specifically ?

Sorry not sorry - I don’t think asserting that would do the White Man any favors for The Moobment. Just a wild guess.

@Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @GoyGirl @peepeepoopoocahcah1 @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui Now, my dad used to be a scientist working for the US Federal Government (retired); without naming his specific field, I can attest I got to go with goodly number of interdisciplinary investigations as a young’un. On one occasion, I got to see how archaeology is done, under the auspices of the US Federal Government. It was pretty eye-opening - though I didn’t realize it until I was much older.

By means of a very thorough, detailed, well-documented analysis of 50sq cm soil patches dug down 10cm at a go, sifted through graduated screens of decreasing-gauge, finer and finer, any significant objects caught are labeled by their coordinates and catalogued. It’s all very impressive. I got to do some of the digging and sifting, myself. All the data is then compiled into a great big catalogue, which then disappears forever into cardboard boxes in some field station closet. Lol jk - some GS9 gets paid to skim through it, looking for findings that might be useful in typing up a hundred or so page report, which is submitted to some GS11, and from there it vanishes from anything I had any business knowing about. Maybe, a couple few many years later, I’d get to see some of it mentioned in a book or whatnot; happened on a couple occasions.

Anyhow, though I have no detailed knowledge of the subsequent process, I’m aware that what’s happening is an interpretation of the compiled data, according to the prevailing paradigm narrative. It’s sort of like a “received tradition”, in that it’s assumed to be basically correct, until either something tangible is found by some GS13 that conflicts with the Narrative, or until everyone just sort of agrees to accept another Narrative.

The problem with this, is that the Prevailing Narrative is not, nor can it ever be, found in the data, itself; it simply isn’t there. Ideally, this Prevailing Narrative was informed of the most plausible explanation for things, from the get-go; but how on earth could it have been, before any data was collected ? It‘s astronomically improbable that they “got it right”, and the likelihood of arriving at a “truly corrected Narrative” by all this digging and cataloguing is also incredibly improbable - because there’s literally no way of determining that every incremental step along the way is further or closer to the True History of all these datapoints. It is an absolute fool’s errand. But it is, nevertheless, a very impressive, objective-looking fool’s errand.

What it ends up amounting to, after all is said and done, is affirming whatever the funders want it to affirm; whatever is deemed most consonant with the agenda of the University System.

@madcuzbad @Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @GoyGirl @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui The Orthodox Church is sometimes referred to as “the Church of the Seven Ecumenical Councils” (though more accurately we’re the Church of the Nine Ecumenical Councils; but World Orthodox swat me for saying as much 😆).

While the historical record of these Councils and their societal impact is not 100% preserved, few historical considerations are better documented. When one digs in, it’s obvious these were not readily and unanimously accepted by all living Christians, but were rather fiercely contested often with great civil strife up to and including bloodshed and capital punishment.

Many of the details of what were being debated seem rather trivial, to a modern onlookers. Who cares what day Pascha is celebrated ? Who cares if she’s the “Mother of God” or the “Mother of Christ” ? etc etc.

In my sincere observation, the Communion acting/believing more in keeping with this vast ancient Tradition, of uncompromising preservation of The True Faith, are the True Orthodox. Often, it’s observed, the conclusions of a given Ecumenical Council, were a relatively small minority, compared to the wider global adherents of the prevailing heresy of the day. Thus, I believe, this reality is to be expected under certain circumstances.

@madcuzbad @Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @GoyGirl @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui Right, the Eternal Salvation of a Man’s Soul is far, far beyond my purview. Why I believe as I believe, is independently of my own judgments about whether someone else is Saved or not.

Rather, I stick uncompromisingly with the Traditional Ecclesiology; we believe:

1. there is no Salvation outside the Church, the literal Body of Christ, and:

2. The Body of Christ is identical on earth to the Communion of Faith, the Body of True Believers in the True Faith.

I believe this, because it’s indisputably what all the Saints of The Church have believed, since the beginning of the Church at Pentecost, likely AD 33 (with some wiggle room thanks to some Calendar fog-of-war).

If people somehow miraculously end up Saved on the Right-Hand Side of the Almighty on the Great and Terrible Day of The Lord, that is honestly not something I get to know until that Day.

@Bernard @Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @GoyGirl @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui While I’m not a CN, but rather a Traditional Monarchist with a high opinion of German NatSoc; I can still take a stab at these big questions.

1. True Orthodoxy. That’d be ideal.

2. No; multiculturalism is poisonous.

3. I’d honestly have zero interest in forcing anyone - least of all “fierce warrior spirits” into acting against the dictates of the conscience by supporting a Kingdom they don’t believe in. The King will have, at his discretion, the power and the will to enforce whatever behavioral standards he sees fit; expecting him to roll over for pagans sowing doubt and dissent in the ranks on the grounds of “muh religious freedom” is quite foolish.

As stated, I’m not exactly the target audience, but my answers to the above are anything but vague or hazy 😅

@madcuzbad @Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @GoyGirl @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui One interesting development I’ve seen in recent years, is Appalachian Orthodoxy. They’ve got their own semi-autonomous Monasteries, and a unique cultural Orthodox Chant style. It’s clearly nascent, but it’s very much there and alive.

What this tells me is that at least some White Americans that identify culturally as American, came to the same conclusion I was led to. I doubt they set out looking for trouble with American Protestantism, any more than I did. In my case, the Truth was obvious; Orthodox Theology / Ecclesiology simply appears more “accurate” than Roman Catholic / Western Theological teaching.

As to why other sincere Christians arrive at a different conclusion; I cannot say. Though I have some doubt it’s “intentional”.

@Deplorable_Degenerate @koropokkur @Bernard @GoyGirl @Nudhul @toiletpaper @hakui I love my Racial inheritance, and genuinely value the many countless sacrifices of mine/our ancestors to see to it we got a shot at life; nevertheless outside of a solid thirteen year run with Germany amongst Germans, the only thing that ever even came close to overarching international White Unity, was Christendom.

If nonChristian Whites really don’t want to live with/around professing Christians, I don’t really know what to tell them. It’s not really my business what they say or do outside my homelands, but I certainly can’t stand idly by while they sow doubt and dissent amongst my family, friends, neighbors, countrymen etc. Traditional Christianity built the House of Unified Whites, in the first place; and that sort of silliness cannot be tolerated - any more than they’d probably put up with Christians trash-talking their sacred things in their own homes. Social Order is a precious thing, poised precariously over an abyss. Surely any one of us must understand this by now.