Modern social media power rankings
1. ActivityPub fediverse
2. Tumblr
- all below this line are dogshit-
3. Twitter
4. Instagram
5. Bluesky
6. Facebook
7. Nostr
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@coolboymew when they banned porn all of the insane people left and now its perfect
@vriska @coolboymew the only reason they banned the porn was they couldn't fine-grained stop their actual homegrown child porn of trans kids getting groomed so they just banned everything.
@sun @coolboymew unlike every other social platform listed, tumblr self policed that. There was no "pedi" on tumblr and twitter is child porn central. the tumblr porn ban was to appease advertisers. The company did lose like95% of its value
@vriska @coolboymew there was a coordinated attack on all platforms by a group of state governors, they just blamed advertisers because leftists can't admit government might be the cause of something. same group killed craigslist personals that self-policed.
@sun @coolboymew my point is that even before a blanket ban we were murdering those people and running them off. More effectively than anyone has ever done it. Like I said, internet porn is inherently immoral
@vriska @coolboymew I am quite sure that you were not intersecting with that section of tumblr, it did leak out sometimes though. I absolutely do not believe that tumblr wanted it or monetized it but they absolutely couldn't effectively stop it without banning all porn. which yeah, tells you something.
@sun @coolboymew my only interaction with that was joining large campaigns to mass repprt/suicide bait the perpetrators tbh
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50@sun @coolboymew and what it really tells me is that banning porn is unequivocally good
@vriska @coolboymew it's unequivocally moral but not sure it's possible or desirable to totally ban for various reasons
@vriska @coolboymew sorry if I'm being annoying, its just my opinion. I made my point and don't need to drive it home
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew I'm generally against banning stuff wholesale because you never get what you asked for
@sun @vriska @coolboymew
"ban porn" is like, and bad in the same ways as, "ban drugs" (perspective of asexual who doesn't substances heh
"ban porn" is like, and bad in the same ways as, "ban drugs" (perspective of asexual who doesn't substances heh
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew a society absolutely has to ban some things and it's not perfectly going to work when you do have to ban stuff so it's still a reasonable conversation to have
@sun@shitposter.world @vriska@lizards.live @coolboymew@shitposter.world @ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu i mean we should ban some kinds of porn just like we do ban some kinds of killing.
"no banning any X" is an absolutely asinine stance if you ask me.
we ban killing people, we ban fucking children
we allow killing criminsls, we allow fucking consenting adults
@sun @ageha @coolboymew @vriska I would love to see lot of things banned but it won't happen. Like child marriage for a example.
@ageha @coolboymew @sun I'm not necessarily saying it should be blanket illegal but if I had a website I would ban it. To me it's pretty much the same thing as banning factory farms and meat consumption. It's a net positive in theory but impossible in practice
@ageha @coolboymew @sun not good for the people on meth in barely legal gangrape video
@ageha @coolboymew @sun there are many kinds of meat consumption too
@vriska @ageha @coolboymew this is a real debate lol, I have seen vegans called racist because they philosophically don't permit exceptions for meat-eating "indigenous people" lol
@sun @coolboymew @ageha i mean it is pretty wrong to equate factory farming to excess deer pop being hunted to prevent wasting disease
@vriska @sun @coolboymew
the excess dear population exists because of meat eating (killing wolves and using up land for feed etc
the excess dear population exists because of meat eating (killing wolves and using up land for feed etc
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew this is still downstream from humans being everywhere and not being able to easily share the space with wolves, which necessitates human stewdarship of animal populations including culling. and yes I know wolf attacks on humans are exceptionally rare
@sun @vriska @coolboymew
human settlements are tiny. what's using up all the land is feed crops for animals, and to lesser extent the animals themselves, which outmass humans many times over
human settlements are tiny. what's using up all the land is feed crops for animals, and to lesser extent the animals themselves, which outmass humans many times over
@ageha @coolboymew @sun yes but unless someone can restore natural predator population overnight there is no reason to decry deer hunting by people who do it to feed their children
@vriska @ageha @coolboymew I am talking about philosophical not pragmatic, there are people that say being against all meat consumption is racist because indigenous people traditionally hunt.
@sun @vriska @ageha @coolboymew I heard people eating monkeys and other animals because they believe they will get super powers from them.
@vriska @coolboymew @sun
cute books or manga or whatever that include lewd stuff are often "wholesome" and nice
and other end of the spectrum, even "intimate-contact-included" sex work is, in personal experience, not a bad thing for all clients, and surveying across people i've met or read, not bad for all workers either (sometimes that not bad is "i enjoy it sometimes, i hate it sometimes, i get paid money, and in general it's better than the other jobs i could be doing right now
cute books or manga or whatever that include lewd stuff are often "wholesome" and nice
and other end of the spectrum, even "intimate-contact-included" sex work is, in personal experience, not a bad thing for all clients, and surveying across people i've met or read, not bad for all workers either (sometimes that not bad is "i enjoy it sometimes, i hate it sometimes, i get paid money, and in general it's better than the other jobs i could be doing right now
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew can we agree that billion dollar monetizing human suffering industry version of pornography is tautologically bad and leave the debate about if a woman sells vids on her personal website and takes allt he profit herself and isn't coerced (how often does this really happen though) might be okay or might have systemic consequences as a separaet debaet
@sun @coolboymew @ageha yeah im on board with that
@sun @vriska @coolboymew
what's wrong with the former is lack of worker protections, like the problem with yoshiwara wasn't the sex but the slavery part
what's wrong with the former is lack of worker protections, like the problem with yoshiwara wasn't the sex but the slavery part
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew there is definitely systemic social risk to making it a multibillion dollar industry. personally I have no problem with people selling sex or sex videos/pictures if they're not coerced but there are specific problems with extremely large sex industry and more general coercion into labor problems with capitalism proper
@sun @ageha @coolboymew @vriska I have a problem with people selling sex. But I would probably do the pathetic thing and pay to play few games of uno with me and ask them to make sure I fell asleep because I don't sleep and it's a nightmare.
@sun @vriska @coolboymew @ageha you got a little dutch at the end there
@sun @ageha @coolboymew @vriska Simply ban any sort of payment for sex or porn. This solves 99% of the problem. No trafficking, no prostitution, no coerced videos, just random perverts uploading their home videos and pictures.
@nerthos @ageha @coolboymew @vriska denying copyright for porn is actually a valid way to permit it relativelyt non-exploitatively
@nerthos @ageha @coolboymew @vriska I think it's a bad idea for payment processors to discriminate on morals, they can discriminate on economic risk, so like porn has crazy high chargeback rates so they generally wont service those customers
@sun @ageha @coolboymew @vriska I mean, if there's a legal ban on it, they can just say "nah we won't touch it because law says so"
@nerthos @ageha @coolboymew @vriska that's different I'm just saying in general you're getting into risky territory if systems you effectively have to go through to do commerce like credit card companies, create fairly arbitrary moral rules on you. that's not their job, they are very close to a public utility and need to be obligated to act neutrally.
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew @sun Massive difference between policing random individual acts and an over the counter commercial activity.
You will never get all of them, but you can severely downscale the industry.
You will never get all of them, but you can severely downscale the industry.
@ageha @vriska @coolboymew @nerthos isn't this like actually a pretty common feminist (of some flavor) mode of reasoning "tell men not to rape" ok
@ageha @coolboymew @sun I've got no problem at all with Manga or books and I even told you that irl and said that earlier in the thread!
@ageha @coolboymew @sun Manga and books and hell even AI garbage doesn't actually contribute the extreme amount of rape and trafficking and coercion that exists in real life
holy shit
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@sun @coolboymew frankly it is a skill issue that people need porn films. the rate of trafficking, rape, and pedophilia involved is far too high to justify. real OGs crank it to writing. use your damn imagination
@vriska @coolboymew people don't need anything I just don't trust governments to ban stuff generally
@vriska @sun @coolboymew It sucks that a lot of people did suffer due to porn production, which is why supporting JAVs and amateur porn is the right call.
@sunbeam_rider @vriska @coolboymew @sun i didn't know, how cool of em