I am generally anti-immigrant to the USA but I am also more or less an immigrant to Japan, where my "alien-ness" is more impactful. The irony is not lost on me.
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@sun Do you go to Japan and act like a total nigger and chimp out when they don't simply accept it? Do you demand that they adapt to you?
@echo I am a guest and I am doing my best to be respectful and fit in. It's hard but I'm trying.
@Leyonhjelm @echo I think that people that assimilate can be as american as white anglos tbh.
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@sun @Leyonhjelm @echo a pretty good percentage of the rightoids I’ve known personally seem to believe this, not saying you’re a rightoid, just taking the slight tangent
@clawfulneutral @Leyonhjelm @echo i'm kind of a fellow traveler with some ideas but i don't identify as right wing. not left wing either. i don't know what i am. i think a lot of people don't fit that paradigm anymore.
@sun @Leyonhjelm @echo I’m a leftoid by biology (I max out the Openness scale on the Five Factor personality inventory) but I grew up in a red state and have some appreciation for nuance, I guess. along with having seen conservative adjacent people be good for the right reasons with my own two eyes. I also have been extremely wary of groupthink almost my whole life, and there’s a whole lot of it happening in what passes for the American left.
@clawfulneutral @Leyonhjelm @echo i have a naturally high disgust reflex so i am probably naturally conservative
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I’m from firm “why is this my business” stock. The kind that’s generally socially “you do you” but crunchy when it comes to “don’t pollute my fucking water”
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I’m from firm “why is this my business” stock. The kind that’s generally socially “you do you” but crunchy when it comes to “don’t pollute my fucking water”
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@Leyonhjelm @clawfulneutral @echo we're killing the environment, it's just a fact, normally if you believe that that falls on an ideological split but if you have to believe it because it's true and you value truth, what do you do
@Leyonhjelm @sun @echo I have a lot of appreciation for that point of view. the red state I spent most of my childhood in used to be closer to that, now it’s full on MAGA shoes, maximum belligerence, a product of at least 100 years of brain drain which accelerated sharply in the last 30
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I don’t even know what “right” even means at this point. Left and right are just political insults at this point with no meaningful fixed qualities.
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I don’t even know what “right” even means at this point. Left and right are just political insults at this point with no meaningful fixed qualities.
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@Leyonhjelm @sun @echo regarding what I said, I was talking about people who culturally lean more toward stereotypically conservative views + are more strongly interested in paying lower taxes
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I don’t know what that means. I’m honestly not trying to be a pain in the ass but American conservatism died generations ago and most people are so caught up in the fight that they don’t notice. Nobody is fighting for lower taxes or conservative views. It’s all rural vs urban and each side has the most hackneyed caricature view of the other. Neither is liberal or conservative, neither is really “right” nor “left”.
And it’s unfortunate for everyone involved. What most Americans want is simply a good place to raise their kids and fund a family. Everything else is a distraction to make them hate each other.
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I don’t know what that means. I’m honestly not trying to be a pain in the ass but American conservatism died generations ago and most people are so caught up in the fight that they don’t notice. Nobody is fighting for lower taxes or conservative views. It’s all rural vs urban and each side has the most hackneyed caricature view of the other. Neither is liberal or conservative, neither is really “right” nor “left”.
And it’s unfortunate for everyone involved. What most Americans want is simply a good place to raise their kids and fund a family. Everything else is a distraction to make them hate each other.
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@Leyonhjelm @clawfulneutral @echo there is kind of a real right wing now. i'm pretty sure they killed charlie kirk because he was supposed to be a vessel to redirect right wing rage into meaningless wheel spinning but he he defected