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@gabriel > work for fifteen years on a product that is going to be used domestically on citizens
> get upset when it might get used on mexicans
> get upset when it might get used on mexicans
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These people can't be real, god help us.
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It's not dissonance. They're consistent and also quite clear. It's a very personal betrayal. They feel that the people (whom they know to be evil chuds) are the source of their personal pain, and that of those they care for.
This meme was catastrophically wrong despite it's popularity IMO. The vibe I now get from woke isn't "I'm using your morality against you" but more "can you be held to any standard of morality at all? since you clearly don't care about our safety and structures".
I'm not at all saying they're correct about who they attack or that they have any leg to stand on themselves, but I think I'm starting to understand the logic.
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@gabriel @mangeurdenuage that meme isn't totally generalizable to a world view it was a specific rhetorical tactic used by non christians against christians quite knowingly, I don't think it's fake and I think it lives in parallel to what you're observing.
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@gabriel @mangeurdenuage I don't think it's dissonance, there is some but mainly I think its tech people who don't understand the difference between "what I'm building today" and "what will bad people in power inevitably do with what I built". Boston Dynamics was always funded by the military wing of the government. Their 4-leg robots were built and proposed as "pack animals" that would do grunt work for soldiers. But anybody with half a fucking brain would realize they're building dog and humanoid robots for darpa and someone sometime in the military is going to point the thing at a human.
sometimes it is even "I know some bad uses will happen but it's worth it" and they are just wrong in their calculation (it happens) or they're not imaginative enough about what bad people will do with it. I admit I could be said to fall into the same category as this with AI shit. that is my steelmanning of their position, they're still wrong but could be understandable
sometimes it is even "I know some bad uses will happen but it's worth it" and they are just wrong in their calculation (it happens) or they're not imaginative enough about what bad people will do with it. I admit I could be said to fall into the same category as this with AI shit. that is my steelmanning of their position, they're still wrong but could be understandable
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> who don't understand the difference between "what I'm building today" and "what will bad people in power inevitably do with what I built"
from what i see that's how the majority of the political left functions: they either ignore or just don't see at that their actions have consequences in 2nd, 3rd, ... degree as well.
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@bonifartius @gabriel @mangeurdenuage right wingers do that too, that is the basis of ignoring ecology concerns. however liberals will ignore second order effects if the first order effect of preventing something will in the short term make them look "mean", like "let anyone across the border, look at this sad child"
right wingers do that too, that is the basis of ignoring ecology concerns.
Other good examples:
- We care about family, but not enough to think about what environment healthy families need to flourish rather than languish.
- We care about "our people" because they're the best, but no none of them are in any way salvageable if they have discernable problems.
- We love free market economics but if your business is pushed out by VC bros running at a loss you just should have been gambling or something. Idk buy gold.
- we care about the truth, not feelings up until it kills the feel good vibe and then it's just "blackpilling"
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5@gabriel @sun @mangeurdenuage oh, they have their own set of idiocy indeed. mind that i'm looking from an eurotard perspective, it was literally hitler to say "maybe we need a plan and loads of resources to somewhat integrate the millions of syrians".
@bonifartius @gabriel @mangeurdenuage it is racist to notice this thirty year old african guy is not syrian kid
@sun @gabriel @mangeurdenuage new trend is that they are all homosexuals who need asylum for their sexual identity.
@sun @gabriel @mangeurdenuage yes, i also would suggest the west is too tolerant now.