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Pagans in 2026 are just reddit atheists who got owned by the fedora meme so hard that now they're pretending they're in Skyrim
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You're not a Trve Pagan until you burn down some churches and murder at least one person with a bladed weapon. You have to honor the ancestors properly.
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@Hoss @bronzeagebond @pernia @vitalis @toiletpaper Jury's out on whether Dead could be considered human, so I can understand Varg with that one. Burning churches was far worse.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
> Burning churches was far worse.
Abrahamic superstitions are the all time Victim Olympics grand champions. No point in whining because your progenitors chose to ignore Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31.
> Burning churches was far worse.
Abrahamic superstitions are the all time Victim Olympics grand champions. No point in whining because your progenitors chose to ignore Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31.
@toiletpaper @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss Even if you take religion out of it, burning a cultural lynchpin (at the time that it was done) is worse than shanking a retard who was referred to as demonic at best.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
Meanwhile, just the first few centuries of Christinanity being in charge...
https://www.rassias.gr/9011.html
Meanwhile, just the first few centuries of Christinanity being in charge...
https://www.rassias.gr/9011.html
@toiletpaper @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss Sure, pretty bad. Wasn't killing and torture a regular Sunday in that timespan?
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
Since Constantine 1 at least. Among many other heinous acts, the guy murdered his own son and boiled his wife alive in a bathtub. The Pagan priesthood refused to absolve him of his crimes, so he turned to the Christians who said, yeah no problem. Then he went on to mandate the orthodox doctrines of Christinanity accordingly. The rest is history.
Since Constantine 1 at least. Among many other heinous acts, the guy murdered his own son and boiled his wife alive in a bathtub. The Pagan priesthood refused to absolve him of his crimes, so he turned to the Christians who said, yeah no problem. Then he went on to mandate the orthodox doctrines of Christinanity accordingly. The rest is history.
@toiletpaper @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss I don't read this as Christianity bad, more that people are kinda shit in general and takes a lot to keep them in line. Religion is not a panacea in that regard.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
True. But name me one other major class of superstition besides the Abrahamic whose doctrine mandates that those who choose not to participate are fair game to murder with impunity. Some individuals might be "good" in that they cherry pick what to believe/do and let their conscience over-rule the dogma, but by continuing to identify with and promote the same doctrine, they perpetuate that behaviour and are thus equally culpable.
True. But name me one other major class of superstition besides the Abrahamic whose doctrine mandates that those who choose not to participate are fair game to murder with impunity. Some individuals might be "good" in that they cherry pick what to believe/do and let their conscience over-rule the dogma, but by continuing to identify with and promote the same doctrine, they perpetuate that behaviour and are thus equally culpable.
@toiletpaper @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss It's less superstition and more tribe. You're not part of my tribe = it's go time. Plenty examples of that.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
There are plenty of other ideologies which foster enmity towards out-groups, but as far as Abrahamic superstitions (they've hijacked the term "religion" while being nothing of the sort) are concerned, unlike any other world religion it's actually in scriptural doctrine, and they have a >2,000 year long track record of consistently acting upon it accordingly. Deflecting with a fallacy of relative privation doesn't change that.
There are plenty of other ideologies which foster enmity towards out-groups, but as far as Abrahamic superstitions (they've hijacked the term "religion" while being nothing of the sort) are concerned, unlike any other world religion it's actually in scriptural doctrine, and they have a >2,000 year long track record of consistently acting upon it accordingly. Deflecting with a fallacy of relative privation doesn't change that.
@toiletpaper @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss Well, at least I know which side you're biased towards with the "not a real X" talk. I'm more of a flow of history guy. Things change, the change is violent, but it happened. Then there's only the way forward. Maybe to some other thing. I still appreciate reading your posts about history, even if we disagree.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
> I still appreciate reading your posts about history, even if we disagree.
Respect. It's rare in these sorts of discussions.
> I still appreciate reading your posts about history, even if we disagree.
Respect. It's rare in these sorts of discussions.
@slipgate @pernia @vitalis @bronzeagebond @Hoss
> biased towards with the "not a real X [religion]" ... posts about history
Incidentally, I'm not the first to point this out.
* Pliny the Younger (c. 110 CE) described Christianity as a "perverse and extravagant superstition" (superstitio prava et immodica) in his correspondence with Emperor Trajan, noting its spread like a contagious disease.
* Tacitus (c. 115 CE) referred to Christianity as a "deadly superstition" (mortifera superstitio) and a "mischievous superstition" (noxia superstitio) in his Annals, blaming it for social disruption.
* Suetonius (c. 121 CE) called Christians a class of people given to a "new and mischievous superstition" (superstitione nova ac malefica) in his biography of Nero.
* Emperor Julian (c. 362–363 CE) in "Against the Galileans" composed during his stay in Antioch, described contemporary Christians like Ammianus Marcellinus as having an addiction to superstition (deisidaimonia) rather than true religion, and [Saint] Cyril of Alexandria as "lazy and superstitious" (argoi kai deisidaimones). He asserted that their "fictions" (plasmata) corrupted the intelligence and led believers away from reality.
Those are just off the top of my head. I don't think they were wrong in the slightest.
> biased towards with the "not a real X [religion]" ... posts about history
Incidentally, I'm not the first to point this out.
* Pliny the Younger (c. 110 CE) described Christianity as a "perverse and extravagant superstition" (superstitio prava et immodica) in his correspondence with Emperor Trajan, noting its spread like a contagious disease.
* Tacitus (c. 115 CE) referred to Christianity as a "deadly superstition" (mortifera superstitio) and a "mischievous superstition" (noxia superstitio) in his Annals, blaming it for social disruption.
* Suetonius (c. 121 CE) called Christians a class of people given to a "new and mischievous superstition" (superstitione nova ac malefica) in his biography of Nero.
* Emperor Julian (c. 362–363 CE) in "Against the Galileans" composed during his stay in Antioch, described contemporary Christians like Ammianus Marcellinus as having an addiction to superstition (deisidaimonia) rather than true religion, and [Saint] Cyril of Alexandria as "lazy and superstitious" (argoi kai deisidaimones). He asserted that their "fictions" (plasmata) corrupted the intelligence and led believers away from reality.
Those are just off the top of my head. I don't think they were wrong in the slightest.
Based Constantine BTFOing the LARPagans so hard they're still seething about it 1700 years later.
It makes total sense when you realize this was the point at which the pagan remnants became niggers of the early medieval just tryin' to espress dey cultcha' at the expense of the Christian host society.