block whomever you want, but if you represent something bigger you will be judged
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@sun maybe they just want it as a fun thing for the conference , maybe every one doesn’t want to debate over the merits of saying nigger and open source drama about who was gay on Github
@technolyze you can make a rule against saying nigger and not block 3/4 of the world
@sun but then you will be spammed by 400 people saying nigger then debating you about the rule to not say it
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@technolyze bigger picture this is about conformity and sanitization, delegating authority in the hacker community and it has natural difficult contradictions
@sun defcon has been corporate for like 20 years at this point and dark fedi is unironically annoying if you just want to have fun with a diverse group of people that don’t want slurs screamed at them the second they post their opinions.
@technolyze doesn't address my point
@technolyze also I realize technical mitigations are not perfect and never will be but if you used good software you can just automatically filter content via mrf etc
@sun @technolyze I have never installed Mastodon anywhere so I can't compare the setup pain, but the last couple times I set up Pleroma and/or Akkoma it still seemed mildly daunting somehow ... just my $0.02 on why so many people continue using Mastodon when it's objectively a bloated pile of shit
@deutrino @technolyze I actuallyt find updating mastodon to be annoying and daunting and pleroma seems easier, alhtough setting up pleroma is harder
@sun its been sanitized 20 years and even if it wasn’t sanitized dark fedi is a legitimately unwelcoming shit place for any one not spending half their time obsessing over muh white genocide
@technolyze I won't deny the degradation predates them making a mastodon server. I quit going many years ago but not because it wasn't edgy enough, the people there now are just not interesting lol
@technolyze @sun what's dark fedi
@technolyze @sun I'm serious what's dark fedi or is it just another term for loser
@technolyze @Ree alternately its the servers that don't block a lot, either one
@sun @Ree @technolyze I mean not entirely, every Masto server I have an alt on is a low-blocking server, I went to extensive lengths to pick ones where that was true, and the users don't act at all like the assholes being discussed
@sun @Ree @technolyze I suppose you could make the distinction between low-blocking and ultra-low-blocking. I block the worst of the chuds on the single-user server I run for discussing politics, because they're fucking insufferable. and I am pretty hard to offend. I don't block them due to offense, they just add nothing of value to most threads while detracting from the general vibe and the ability to discuss things like a fucking adult.
@technolyze @deutrino @Ree maybe its crazy but I haven't seen any of that stuff since like 2016 because I personally blocked a tiny number of people and servers.
@technolyze @deutrino @Ree all I am saying is delegating ywhat you see to someone else is very obviously not very hackery, its not a big deal if your whole thing isn't we're hackers
@technolyze @Ree @deutrino anyweay I feel I made my point, I acknowledged that you have a point too, I'm not changing my overall position however
@sun @technolyze @deutrino I don't feel like a hacker just sorta know my way around a command prompt
@sun @Ree @technolyze now this, I agree with. I make mild exceptions where I trust the sysop to handle the absolute worst of the worst, but in general, I need to be the one wielding the banhammer when it comes to instance blocks.
@sun @deutrino @Ree @technolyze
i think drc is the only instance that has done that
and i have been so very close to flatout defeding it
i think drc is the only instance that has done that
and i have been so very close to flatout defeding it
@Ree @deutrino @sun it’s not a contest, it’s just like any normal sane person doesn’t wanna see this shit, and being like “ya I’ll put up with animals that send me murder videos “ doesn’t make you based and knowingly exposing a buncha people brand new to something to that is obviously retarded and any sane multi age range group would block that shit, corporate or not
@technolyze @Ree @sun I think the history here is that SPW gets lumped in with those when it has a vastly higher median quality of user, heh
@deutrino @technolyze @Ree I'm on the fence about ourselves, we're not the worst but we're not non-offenders either, I don't blame people for blocking us but at the same time we're not sending people beheading videos or porn or child shit. we're just not
@deutrino @Ree @sun the history of the specific instance isn’t really the point, it’s that this is a clear issue and it’s very normal for most groups of people even vaguely extreme ones to just be totally put off do what they are subjected to due to the nature of federation coupled with one extreme being:
“oh ya you will see people complaining about the blacks all day and animals being murdered until you block the people account hoping to harass you for a couple months until you customize it, but you can play free speech Jesus”
And then if you mention it people will either posture about how cool and for free speech they are or a hell thread about “lol dumb faggot here’s some anal rape and child murder videos “
“oh ya you will see people complaining about the blacks all day and animals being murdered until you block the people account hoping to harass you for a couple months until you customize it, but you can play free speech Jesus”
And then if you mention it people will either posture about how cool and for free speech they are or a hell thread about “lol dumb faggot here’s some anal rape and child murder videos “
@technolyze @deutrino @Ree it is the point
I think you know what I’m talking about too with mentioning corporatization of defcon
The drift of homogenization of subcultures to generic progressive
I think you know what I’m talking about too with mentioning corporatization of defcon
The drift of homogenization of subcultures to generic progressive
@technolyze @Ree @deutrino don’t you think it’s interesting rhat you’re doing it right now but self professed hackers can’t
@technolyze @Ree @sun there are a lot of servers in the Mastodon Imperial Core which regard disagreeing with 23% of 2020s American so-called "leftist" orthodoxy as being equivalent to the worst of the chuds, and block every server with more than a couple users who fall into the former group 
@sun @technolyze @Ree It's a made up term by someone on the other side of the fedi block bot, isn't it? Someone on the mastodon side that uses it to refer to people that are on the block bot list.
Alternately, someone on one of the trans instances told me to kill myself and was specific about how to go about it. It was a weird experience. Neither side is innocent in this.
Alternately, someone on one of the trans instances told me to kill myself and was specific about how to go about it. It was a weird experience. Neither side is innocent in this.
@technolyze @sun when I think of fedi I think fedi of old but today see people I know and losers