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Antigravity tech is basically in the public domain, problem is nobody really knows how to make it produce more than a few milligrams of lift...
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You're looking in the wrong places.
Here's a dumb simple reproduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006d36WWyaQ
That is NOT an ionic thruster, it's a Townsend Brown thruster, we know very well how to make them but we lack the physics to understand why they work - and how to make them produce *useful* amounts of thrust.
Paper about them: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20040171929/downloads/20040171929.pdf
"they work, we don't know why"
Wikipedos mumbling about ions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
(It's been proven that it is not ions.)
Dr. Charles Buhler (NASA electrostatics guru) started a company called Exodus to try to commercialize the thrusters for low thrust satellite applications. Video: Him commenting on the major physics issue with the fact that the thrusters don't actually require power in order to work.
Here's a dumb simple reproduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006d36WWyaQ
That is NOT an ionic thruster, it's a Townsend Brown thruster, we know very well how to make them but we lack the physics to understand why they work - and how to make them produce *useful* amounts of thrust.
Paper about them: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20040171929/downloads/20040171929.pdf
"they work, we don't know why"
Wikipedos mumbling about ions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
(It's been proven that it is not ions.)
Dr. Charles Buhler (NASA electrostatics guru) started a company called Exodus to try to commercialize the thrusters for low thrust satellite applications. Video: Him commenting on the major physics issue with the fact that the thrusters don't actually require power in order to work.
There's another issue with these thrusters which opens a MASSIVE can of worms:
They don't push against anything - they've been tested in sealed containers inside of vacuum chambers and there's nothing being thrown off and nothing being pushed against.
That means, if they produce 1 gram of thrust at "rest" (there's no such thing as "stationary" in a universal sense), they also produce the same thrust at any speed...
That's a Problem for physics, because if you make one spin around in a circle, the faster it spins, the more power it generates (same torque, more RPM), so basically it's a backdoor into Free Energy...
Currently does not work in any meaningful way because the thrust they produce is so small that you can't get them to spin fast enough to extract meaningful power (the structure can't handle the centrifugal force). But they do create theoretical free energy which is at least enough to troll the shit out of physicists...
They don't push against anything - they've been tested in sealed containers inside of vacuum chambers and there's nothing being thrown off and nothing being pushed against.
That means, if they produce 1 gram of thrust at "rest" (there's no such thing as "stationary" in a universal sense), they also produce the same thrust at any speed...
That's a Problem for physics, because if you make one spin around in a circle, the faster it spins, the more power it generates (same torque, more RPM), so basically it's a backdoor into Free Energy...
Currently does not work in any meaningful way because the thrust they produce is so small that you can't get them to spin fast enough to extract meaningful power (the structure can't handle the centrifugal force). But they do create theoretical free energy which is at least enough to troll the shit out of physicists...
@cjd @lain i finally watched the pic related video and the effect seems really small and tbh to me congruent to ion propulsion and would need orders of magnitude in order to even come close to what "they" supposedly have. he isn't pulling a super dooper vacuum, so i wonder if he's done different tests at different levels of vacuums to chart and see if the thrust changes
@cjd @lain i meant to respond to this post but i responded to the wrong post, but this is what i said originally
> actually ignore me, he's saying the charge is just sitting there on the plates, that's crazy
buuuuuuuut it still feels like ionic thrust to me tbhe i wrote that other very long comment bout it
> actually ignore me, he's saying the charge is just sitting there on the plates, that's crazy
buuuuuuuut it still feels like ionic thrust to me tbhe i wrote that other very long comment bout it
They shielded it to exclude ions, and a lot of people have worked on this, everybody assumes it's ions, that's literally the first experiment anyone does is to exclude the possibility that it's ions...
@cjd @lain you can't shield it to exclude ions when you create ions by ionizing stray particles that are still floating around in the near vacuum, except there's really not that many stray particles so you only see extremely weak effects from it, but you're right, i feel like nasa electrostatic guy would know better than me idk. idk how you can totally remove ions when you still have gas particles floating next to 30k volts
Spinning gyroscopes lose weight too, no electricity needed. Again, very small effect, but very reproducible.
They're working on them for satellite lifters, because unlike ion thrusters they don't need any fuel so they can run forever. Not a lot of power, but the "run forever" thing is hard to ignore...
In space there isn't much out there, I don't think there's enough to scoop up and use for ion propulsion, otherwise satellite guys would be on that one because ion thrusters are a pretty mature technology.
@cjd @lain i mean if you're going to need to keep a plate charged to 30k volts for hours that will also use a lot of energy depending on the parasitic losses, but if you're not scooping a lot of ions then you won't use lose any charge for the thrust anyways.
there might not be a lot of particles outside of low earth orbit but there's definitely still a lot (relatively to none) of particles, the only reason we can see a lot of nebulas is because there's random hydrogen and sometimes helium ions in the middle of empty space
but it should be really easy to tell how much of their thrust corresponds to the particle density of the atmosphere they're testing in, this really should be easy to tell without needing to send something to space
there might not be a lot of particles outside of low earth orbit but there's definitely still a lot (relatively to none) of particles, the only reason we can see a lot of nebulas is because there's random hydrogen and sometimes helium ions in the middle of empty space
but it should be really easy to tell how much of their thrust corresponds to the particle density of the atmosphere they're testing in, this really should be easy to tell without needing to send something to space
Charged plates is not how ion thrusters work. They ionize a gas and then accelerate it using electromagnets.
@cjd @lain the space ones usually use electrostatic fields. but if you have a charged plate it doesn't really matter, unless it's a totally independent plate floating along in space, it will have electrostatic forces in some directors more than others, which if all the shit is on the front, then any stray ions will get pushed out the other way
So I suppose you think the EMdrive is also spewing ions... I mean, it sounds like you know more than NASA...
@cjd @lain anyways all i'm saying is that this is very far from where the ufo people say antigravity research was even in like the 50s and shit and that's the kind of thing i would be interested in more than tiny paperclip effects that need entire research papers to just separate them from measurement errors lol
It's not really that wrong, it's just that it only makes a few milligrams of thrust which is not useful for anything.
But it pisses off physicists because it doesn't fit their models...
But it pisses off physicists because it doesn't fit their models...
Physics is LOADED with these inconvenient little party tricks that are not really useful for anything, but also cannot be explained by anyone in the mainstream orthodoxy.
If you like to troll, just memorize them and bring them up whenever you meet a physicist...
If you like to troll, just memorize them and bring them up whenever you meet a physicist...
There's a ton of simple boring stuff like the T.T. Brown capacitor we were discussing earlier. Also gyroscopes lose weight, but only if they're spinning in one direction, not the other. Also gravity decreases during an eclipse, etc etc etc... Easy to reproduce.
Then you have the cold fusion stuff which really makes people crazy. There's so many things out there and there's no theoretical foundation for any of it, these guys just keep trying random things and randomly it will do something unexpected, but then it'll stop and nobody can explain any of it. You hear these guys talk and you can see that it just drove them mad.
Then you have the cold fusion stuff which really makes people crazy. There's so many things out there and there's no theoretical foundation for any of it, these guys just keep trying random things and randomly it will do something unexpected, but then it'll stop and nobody can explain any of it. You hear these guys talk and you can see that it just drove them mad.
Then you've got Wilhelm Reich, and the whole Orgone thing. There's this one experiment, thermal anomaly, which has been reproduced over and over, and nobody can explain it. If you follow his theories, that stuff is a real mindfuck, but at the heart of it, there is at least one or two experiments that can't be explained...
@cjd @lain @bonifartius @shibao my life has intersected orgonomy multiple times. I knew a legitimate teenage genius who built a cloudbuster and claimed it worked but I never got around to seeing it.
I had a teacher at university that told me that the reason you can tell someone is looking at you from behind is that eyes are orgone accumulators.
at the gem shows in arizona people are always selling orgone pyramids
I had a teacher at university that told me that the reason you can tell someone is looking at you from behind is that eyes are orgone accumulators.
at the gem shows in arizona people are always selling orgone pyramids
@sun @bonifartius @cjd @shibao
> I had a teacher at university that told me that the reason you can tell someone is looking at you from behind is that eyes are orgone accumulators.
Absolutely insane but I believe it
> I had a teacher at university that told me that the reason you can tell someone is looking at you from behind is that eyes are orgone accumulators.
Absolutely insane but I believe it
@lain @bonifartius @cjd @shibao I chose to hang around interesting people and not question things and I learned a lot.
@lain @bonifartius @cjd @shibao @sun oh the CIA did a bunch of testing on this in project stargate, i read through the declassified files on stream. they measured galvanic skin response to test if someone's body reacted to being looked at, and it did so irrespective of distance and even through cameras, strongly implying that the something that orgone/spiritual energy/whatever you wanna call it doesn't interact with physical distances in a way that makes sense under current models of physics, and that "psychic power" is just a thing all humans have in different amounts that mostly works subconsciously
> people are always selling orgone pyramids
AFAIK those pyramids are not orgone accumulators in any original sense of the term. What you need to fit Reich's design is a container made of alternating layers of conductive and insulating material, and you get an accumulation inside of this container.
AFAIK those pyramids are not orgone accumulators in any original sense of the term. What you need to fit Reich's design is a container made of alternating layers of conductive and insulating material, and you get an accumulation inside of this container.
@cjd @lain @bonifartius @shibao yeah I don't think they work. the orgone boxes also should have heavy oxidation on them, which is supposedly why the FDA tests didn't work.
I remember reading one scientist got one for his wife because he said she'd sit in the box for hours a day instead of talking to him, whether or not it would work
I remember reading one scientist got one for his wife because he said she'd sit in the box for hours a day instead of talking to him, whether or not it would work
> she'd sit in the box for hours a day instead of talking to him
So, depending on your definition of "work".... 😏
BTW: Exposing yourself to high doses of orgone is probably not a great idea - effects are not well understood. I seem to recall in the cancer-mouse experiments, the mice lived a bit longer but the cancer thrived a lot more.
So, depending on your definition of "work".... 😏
BTW: Exposing yourself to high doses of orgone is probably not a great idea - effects are not well understood. I seem to recall in the cancer-mouse experiments, the mice lived a bit longer but the cancer thrived a lot more.
I used to have the handbook and corresponded with Dr. James DeMeo for a while many moons ago. You need certain kinds of steel wool and steel sheet metal and certain kinds of organic material to make a proper accumulator and if you don't know how they are supposed to work or you bring your cell phone inside one you're just going to cook yourself. You can't use an accumulator anywhere near a cellphone tower or you'll fry yourself. Making the bio packs or the shooters is better (safer) policy and after many experiments on my own I could not determine any real benefits or real anything about orgone. Except you can see the red and blue dots if you go out on a sunny day and pretend like you threw a basketball about 7ft above your head and focus on it. The dancing dot phenomenon seems to occur, but seeing it doesn't cure cancer.
Interesting, I wouldn't mind knowing what materials were said to work most effectively...
BTW: Asymmetrical capacitors (one plate larger than the other) come up in 3 different unexplained technologies:
1. Townsend Brown thrusters (of course)
2. Orgone accumulators (layers of conducting and insulating material create an asymmetry because outside layers are necessarily larger)
3. Stanley Meyer electrolyzer (look at the design, it's tube-in-tube)
BTW: Asymmetrical capacitors (one plate larger than the other) come up in 3 different unexplained technologies:
1. Townsend Brown thrusters (of course)
2. Orgone accumulators (layers of conducting and insulating material create an asymmetry because outside layers are necessarily larger)
3. Stanley Meyer electrolyzer (look at the design, it's tube-in-tube)
I think I have the accumulator handbook stashed in a box in my garage. I remember it was a galvanized steel external layer and then the organic layer can't be fireproof or pressure treateed woods that have chemicals in them. The organic layer has to be very cleanly natural material like raw untreated wood and similar materials. Then you can later the organic wood layers with layers of steel wool (00 gauge iirc) and in the innermost layer is the galvanized steel sheet metal. 5-7 layers of steel was the norm, more layers = more powerful. Where you set it up and use it is very important and DeMeo recommended getting instruments to find electromagnetic fields and radiation and radio signals because all those things will mess you up if you accumulate near them. And then it has to be a nice sunny day but not a barren desert, etc etc. DeMeo was out in Ashland OR and recently died iirc but I strongly recommend getting the Orgone Accumulator handbook and covering all the bases and precautions if you want to experiment with orgone. There are just too many wifi and cell towers and even LED lighting can mess with it iirc.
@notabnormal @cjd @sun @lain @bonifartius @shibao thing is that there is emf pollution everywhere nowadays so if you built an accumulator you're just accumulating that
in contrast the pyramids apparently cleanse them using the embedded crystals
in contrast the pyramids apparently cleanse them using the embedded crystals
The pyramids were never discussed by Reich, DeMeo, as far as I can tell and years ago DeMeo got very angry with me for asking him about them at all since he considered them new age quackery that used "orgone" fraudulently and discredited Reich's actual repeatable experiments. I remember as a 17 year old I made something saying it directed orgone and it said to use steel BBs and double terminate quartz crystals and so now whenever I hear about orgone pyramids or such things I think of new age, crystal aura healing energies, wicca, astrology, homeopathy, and tarot cards.