Antigravity tech is basically in the public domain, problem is nobody really knows how to make it produce more than a few milligrams of lift...
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You're looking in the wrong places.
Here's a dumb simple reproduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006d36WWyaQ
That is NOT an ionic thruster, it's a Townsend Brown thruster, we know very well how to make them but we lack the physics to understand why they work - and how to make them produce *useful* amounts of thrust.
Paper about them: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20040171929/downloads/20040171929.pdf
"they work, we don't know why"
Wikipedos mumbling about ions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
(It's been proven that it is not ions.)
Dr. Charles Buhler (NASA electrostatics guru) started a company called Exodus to try to commercialize the thrusters for low thrust satellite applications. Video: Him commenting on the major physics issue with the fact that the thrusters don't actually require power in order to work.
Here's a dumb simple reproduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006d36WWyaQ
That is NOT an ionic thruster, it's a Townsend Brown thruster, we know very well how to make them but we lack the physics to understand why they work - and how to make them produce *useful* amounts of thrust.
Paper about them: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20040171929/downloads/20040171929.pdf
"they work, we don't know why"
Wikipedos mumbling about ions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
(It's been proven that it is not ions.)
Dr. Charles Buhler (NASA electrostatics guru) started a company called Exodus to try to commercialize the thrusters for low thrust satellite applications. Video: Him commenting on the major physics issue with the fact that the thrusters don't actually require power in order to work.
There's another issue with these thrusters which opens a MASSIVE can of worms:
They don't push against anything - they've been tested in sealed containers inside of vacuum chambers and there's nothing being thrown off and nothing being pushed against.
That means, if they produce 1 gram of thrust at "rest" (there's no such thing as "stationary" in a universal sense), they also produce the same thrust at any speed...
That's a Problem for physics, because if you make one spin around in a circle, the faster it spins, the more power it generates (same torque, more RPM), so basically it's a backdoor into Free Energy...
Currently does not work in any meaningful way because the thrust they produce is so small that you can't get them to spin fast enough to extract meaningful power (the structure can't handle the centrifugal force). But they do create theoretical free energy which is at least enough to troll the shit out of physicists...
They don't push against anything - they've been tested in sealed containers inside of vacuum chambers and there's nothing being thrown off and nothing being pushed against.
That means, if they produce 1 gram of thrust at "rest" (there's no such thing as "stationary" in a universal sense), they also produce the same thrust at any speed...
That's a Problem for physics, because if you make one spin around in a circle, the faster it spins, the more power it generates (same torque, more RPM), so basically it's a backdoor into Free Energy...
Currently does not work in any meaningful way because the thrust they produce is so small that you can't get them to spin fast enough to extract meaningful power (the structure can't handle the centrifugal force). But they do create theoretical free energy which is at least enough to troll the shit out of physicists...
@cjd @lain i finally watched the pic related video and the effect seems really small and tbh to me congruent to ion propulsion and would need orders of magnitude in order to even come close to what "they" supposedly have. he isn't pulling a super dooper vacuum, so i wonder if he's done different tests at different levels of vacuums to chart and see if the thrust changes
@cjd @lain i meant to respond to this post but i responded to the wrong post, but this is what i said originally
> actually ignore me, he's saying the charge is just sitting there on the plates, that's crazy
buuuuuuuut it still feels like ionic thrust to me tbhe i wrote that other very long comment bout it
> actually ignore me, he's saying the charge is just sitting there on the plates, that's crazy
buuuuuuuut it still feels like ionic thrust to me tbhe i wrote that other very long comment bout it
They shielded it to exclude ions, and a lot of people have worked on this, everybody assumes it's ions, that's literally the first experiment anyone does is to exclude the possibility that it's ions...
@cjd @lain you can't shield it to exclude ions when you create ions by ionizing stray particles that are still floating around in the near vacuum, except there's really not that many stray particles so you only see extremely weak effects from it, but you're right, i feel like nasa electrostatic guy would know better than me idk. idk how you can totally remove ions when you still have gas particles floating next to 30k volts
Spinning gyroscopes lose weight too, no electricity needed. Again, very small effect, but very reproducible.
They're working on them for satellite lifters, because unlike ion thrusters they don't need any fuel so they can run forever. Not a lot of power, but the "run forever" thing is hard to ignore...
In space there isn't much out there, I don't think there's enough to scoop up and use for ion propulsion, otherwise satellite guys would be on that one because ion thrusters are a pretty mature technology.
@cjd @lain i mean if you're going to need to keep a plate charged to 30k volts for hours that will also use a lot of energy depending on the parasitic losses, but if you're not scooping a lot of ions then you won't use lose any charge for the thrust anyways.
there might not be a lot of particles outside of low earth orbit but there's definitely still a lot (relatively to none) of particles, the only reason we can see a lot of nebulas is because there's random hydrogen and sometimes helium ions in the middle of empty space
but it should be really easy to tell how much of their thrust corresponds to the particle density of the atmosphere they're testing in, this really should be easy to tell without needing to send something to space
there might not be a lot of particles outside of low earth orbit but there's definitely still a lot (relatively to none) of particles, the only reason we can see a lot of nebulas is because there's random hydrogen and sometimes helium ions in the middle of empty space
but it should be really easy to tell how much of their thrust corresponds to the particle density of the atmosphere they're testing in, this really should be easy to tell without needing to send something to space
Charged plates is not how ion thrusters work. They ionize a gas and then accelerate it using electromagnets.
@cjd @lain the space ones usually use electrostatic fields. but if you have a charged plate it doesn't really matter, unless it's a totally independent plate floating along in space, it will have electrostatic forces in some directors more than others, which if all the shit is on the front, then any stray ions will get pushed out the other way
So I suppose you think the EMdrive is also spewing ions... I mean, it sounds like you know more than NASA...
@cjd @lain anyways all i'm saying is that this is very far from where the ufo people say antigravity research was even in like the 50s and shit and that's the kind of thing i would be interested in more than tiny paperclip effects that need entire research papers to just separate them from measurement errors lol
It's not really that wrong, it's just that it only makes a few milligrams of thrust which is not useful for anything.
But it pisses off physicists because it doesn't fit their models...
But it pisses off physicists because it doesn't fit their models...
Physics is LOADED with these inconvenient little party tricks that are not really useful for anything, but also cannot be explained by anyone in the mainstream orthodoxy.
If you like to troll, just memorize them and bring them up whenever you meet a physicist...
If you like to troll, just memorize them and bring them up whenever you meet a physicist...
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