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"I think this one doesn't actually know what he's saying ~70% of the time. there's usually not any through-line, and he all but explicitly implies shit he later vehemently denies-- and he really seems sincere, like he just forgot..."
Awesome, let's see you reframe the rest of the thread calling me "motherf*cker" and "nigger".
No, that's just Hellthreaders having fun, right? LOL.
But if I push back, I'm crazy. LOL.
As I said earlier, "Typical".
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"I think this one doesn't actually know what he's saying ~70% of the time. there's usually not any through-line, and he all but explicitly implies shit he later vehemently denies-- and he really seems sincere, like he just forgot..."
Awesome, let's see you reframe the rest of the thread calling me "motherf*cker" and "nigger".
No, that's just Hellthreaders having fun, right? LOL.
But if I push back, I'm crazy. LOL.
As I said earlier, "Typical".
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@bajax
No man, I know precisely what I want to say.
What has been happening for the past 24 hours is that people are either framing what I type in their own words (as they perhaps understand my words) or not expecting the response I reply with, given the - quite rough I might add - responses they have given to me.
For example, you. You had nothing to say after I answered you kindly last week, so you backed off, without a take back. Which is fine.
But if I "chimped out" - whew lawd, I am pretty sure about what would have happened.
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No man, I know precisely what I want to say.
What has been happening for the past 24 hours is that people are either framing what I type in their own words (as they perhaps understand my words) or not expecting the response I reply with, given the - quite rough I might add - responses they have given to me.
For example, you. You had nothing to say after I answered you kindly last week, so you backed off, without a take back. Which is fine.
But if I "chimped out" - whew lawd, I am pretty sure about what would have happened.
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@p
"did you seriously say that black people are not smart enough to listen to people that are a different color"
No.
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"If the color of the speaker does not matter, why does making sure that the speaker is *not* black mean anything?"
Because Black historians and researchers are already deemed by some as not credible in this discussion - they are deemed to be implicitly biased.
Hence I use non-Blacks.
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"If you can't just talk then why would quoting someone help?"
For me at least, my argument is done and concluded. It is as real for me as the roundness of the earth is.
So I just point people to some resources I found and let them argue with the sources. In other words "Don't take my word for it."
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"Why talk to you if you've stopped being a reasoning entity in order to act as a search engine? I ain't tryna talk to a human bot."
P, sometimes talking to you is like talking to an LLM. You can certainly generate a lot of text.
At the end of the day, I don't need to convince of something I am convinced is true. You don't need to read anything of mine that you are convinced is false.
But we can certainly engage in a spectacle for others - where time permits - if they are undecided or curious about the topic.
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"Yeah, the issue is the trying to win an argument: instead of engaging on this topic, you just post some link to something. If you can't address the evidence to the contrary by doing anything except posting a link to someone else saying the opposite, you're broadcasting. It's not worth reading. You read a credible historian and they'll pull all the primary sources, they'll read the commentary, they'll note contradictory evidence, and this is the difference between someone that cares what the truth is and someone that wants to get you to think something because they want you to behave as if that thing were true."
For me, there is no argument, only disagreement.
If you want a debate, kindly write up your understanding of my claims, attach as a PDF or MD, and I will respond in kind - pictures, links etc.
That way, we can have your debate, without ultralong hellthread posts.
Deal?
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"did you seriously say that black people are not smart enough to listen to people that are a different color"
No.
---
"If the color of the speaker does not matter, why does making sure that the speaker is *not* black mean anything?"
Because Black historians and researchers are already deemed by some as not credible in this discussion - they are deemed to be implicitly biased.
Hence I use non-Blacks.
---
"If you can't just talk then why would quoting someone help?"
For me at least, my argument is done and concluded. It is as real for me as the roundness of the earth is.
So I just point people to some resources I found and let them argue with the sources. In other words "Don't take my word for it."
---
"Why talk to you if you've stopped being a reasoning entity in order to act as a search engine? I ain't tryna talk to a human bot."
P, sometimes talking to you is like talking to an LLM. You can certainly generate a lot of text.
At the end of the day, I don't need to convince of something I am convinced is true. You don't need to read anything of mine that you are convinced is false.
But we can certainly engage in a spectacle for others - where time permits - if they are undecided or curious about the topic.
---
"Yeah, the issue is the trying to win an argument: instead of engaging on this topic, you just post some link to something. If you can't address the evidence to the contrary by doing anything except posting a link to someone else saying the opposite, you're broadcasting. It's not worth reading. You read a credible historian and they'll pull all the primary sources, they'll read the commentary, they'll note contradictory evidence, and this is the difference between someone that cares what the truth is and someone that wants to get you to think something because they want you to behave as if that thing were true."
For me, there is no argument, only disagreement.
If you want a debate, kindly write up your understanding of my claims, attach as a PDF or MD, and I will respond in kind - pictures, links etc.
That way, we can have your debate, without ultralong hellthread posts.
Deal?
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@p
OK, so you want to argue for argument's sake without referring to sources?
You're right, I am missing your point entirely.
And if some things warrant more words, why not write them in a letter and attach to the thread, to give the arguments the attention they deserve?
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Let's assume for the sake of argument, that I am dead wrong about my assertion. Shouldn't be hard for anyone here judging by the commentary.
So, if I am dead wrong about Jesus being Black, then:
1) A self-proclaimed freespeechextremist should either regard it as noise, or argue in good faith.
2) Just as there are biological males on the fedi cosplaying as females, and whites cosplaying as Nazis, I can cosplay a Black Israelite with the implication that Jesus would too be black, right?
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OK, so you want to argue for argument's sake without referring to sources?
You're right, I am missing your point entirely.
And if some things warrant more words, why not write them in a letter and attach to the thread, to give the arguments the attention they deserve?
---
Let's assume for the sake of argument, that I am dead wrong about my assertion. Shouldn't be hard for anyone here judging by the commentary.
So, if I am dead wrong about Jesus being Black, then:
1) A self-proclaimed freespeechextremist should either regard it as noise, or argue in good faith.
2) Just as there are biological males on the fedi cosplaying as females, and whites cosplaying as Nazis, I can cosplay a Black Israelite with the implication that Jesus would too be black, right?
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@bajax i agree with you, that's not the point of the image at all. @dcc @Economic_Hitman @f0x @VaxxSabbath @fish @TheBoonieGhoul @sampler @sicp @tsubo @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @Kaz @SilverDeth @amerika @dorkvalized @dsm @fluffy @ins0mniak @p @yaboisugoi @milk @bonifartius @NonPlayableClown @ceooffuggy @takao @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Kagekokoro
@bajax
"Favouring free speech for everyone doesn't mean you have any issue mocking what idiots do with it."
Agreed.
My point was reasonableness - specifically, "is it reasonable for someone to attack, or wait for others to attack, a person merely saying 'Praise Black Jesus' when they disagree with that statement in whole or in part? When they have a history of permitting far more egregious behaviour in the name of freespeechextremism?"
Say, for argument's sake, that P is pro-LGBT. Even if he was, prior to Revolver, should he as an admin allowed a then underage user to spam mature age users with adult themed memes or commentary? I say no, for the child's sake, ban them.
Say P were racist and did not like Jews (nominal Jews anyways) or Black People. Is it right (reasonable) for him allow such speech on his free speech platform? Absolutely. Even if the poster calls for violence against those groups? Certainly, if laws allow it. Yet, it's kinda strange when a certain user makes a joke about a politician *hypothetically* meeting his/her untimely demise by some means and P has that post deleted (or coerces that user to delete it) because the Feds are watching his site.
TLDR:
My picture is making the claim that P's differences with me are neither logical, nor reasonable, nor for the safe use of his site by other users or in compliance with the law (I am not on his site anymore). His differences with me are simply personal. While he is entitled and encouraged to have personal differences with me, trying to masquerade them as academic or philosophical is below him, and not worthy of anyone's time.
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"Favouring free speech for everyone doesn't mean you have any issue mocking what idiots do with it."
Agreed.
My point was reasonableness - specifically, "is it reasonable for someone to attack, or wait for others to attack, a person merely saying 'Praise Black Jesus' when they disagree with that statement in whole or in part? When they have a history of permitting far more egregious behaviour in the name of freespeechextremism?"
Say, for argument's sake, that P is pro-LGBT. Even if he was, prior to Revolver, should he as an admin allowed a then underage user to spam mature age users with adult themed memes or commentary? I say no, for the child's sake, ban them.
Say P were racist and did not like Jews (nominal Jews anyways) or Black People. Is it right (reasonable) for him allow such speech on his free speech platform? Absolutely. Even if the poster calls for violence against those groups? Certainly, if laws allow it. Yet, it's kinda strange when a certain user makes a joke about a politician *hypothetically* meeting his/her untimely demise by some means and P has that post deleted (or coerces that user to delete it) because the Feds are watching his site.
TLDR:
My picture is making the claim that P's differences with me are neither logical, nor reasonable, nor for the safe use of his site by other users or in compliance with the law (I am not on his site anymore). His differences with me are simply personal. While he is entitled and encouraged to have personal differences with me, trying to masquerade them as academic or philosophical is below him, and not worthy of anyone's time.
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@p , if I am everything you say I am, do yourself a favour and don't waste time replying to me.
As was mentioned earlier, evidently I am the crackhead you're not to look at or acknowledge.
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As was mentioned earlier, evidently I am the crackhead you're not to look at or acknowledge.
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@p
Two things.
1) "And that's the other thing common among people that have complaints that I have criticized one of their ideas and they claimed that criticism runs counter to freedom of speech: they'll say all kinds of personal shit about me, but the second I say something mildly personal they'll claim persecution again."
Where did I claim criticizing me is counter to free speech? Where? Where did I claim persecution? Show me so I can correct it.
2) "I do think there's a chance you go back to being affable but I also think you keep wandering back to Gab periodically and you come back all punchy because you forget how fedi works."
I haven't been on Gab for years. What on earth are you talking about? LOL, and it's a pity that you can only deal with affable me but not critical me.
Good grief.
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Two things.
1) "And that's the other thing common among people that have complaints that I have criticized one of their ideas and they claimed that criticism runs counter to freedom of speech: they'll say all kinds of personal shit about me, but the second I say something mildly personal they'll claim persecution again."
Where did I claim criticizing me is counter to free speech? Where? Where did I claim persecution? Show me so I can correct it.
2) "I do think there's a chance you go back to being affable but I also think you keep wandering back to Gab periodically and you come back all punchy because you forget how fedi works."
I haven't been on Gab for years. What on earth are you talking about? LOL, and it's a pity that you can only deal with affable me but not critical me.
Good grief.
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@p
Yeah bud. Perhaps saying "our differences are personal" can meet a textbook definition of 'persecution'.
But no one uses English like that today.
If I were to claim persecution, it would mean that I am overwhelmed and incapable of pushing back. I assure, I am neither.
There is no such thing as persecution in Hellthread. Even if people pile on you with f-bombs and n-words, heh.
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Yeah bud. Perhaps saying "our differences are personal" can meet a textbook definition of 'persecution'.
But no one uses English like that today.
If I were to claim persecution, it would mean that I am overwhelmed and incapable of pushing back. I assure, I am neither.
There is no such thing as persecution in Hellthread. Even if people pile on you with f-bombs and n-words, heh.
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@p
"I think you mean to say that I have persecuted you due to some grudge that you think I have and I don't really care to argue the wording; if what I mean is unclear, you can examine the following"
Close, you've been weird since the Pistolero / Revolver retard fight. That was a crazy thread. Thank goodness it was off timeline but we still subjected SJW@bae.st to it.
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"I think you mean to say that I have persecuted you due to some grudge that you think I have and I don't really care to argue the wording; if what I mean is unclear, you can examine the following"
Close, you've been weird since the Pistolero / Revolver retard fight. That was a crazy thread. Thank goodness it was off timeline but we still subjected SJW@bae.st to it.
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@p
Who's memory is flaky now?
Are you really P?
I was like:
"Yo, P...don't you think it's a little weird that, your upcoming stack/web server is called "Revolver" but your moniker is "Pistolero"?"
And you asked me to explain, and I was like "um, well, technically, in modern parlance, a pistol is a type of handgun and a revolver is another type of handgun...and...well...they are not the same thing..."
And, as someone who prides themselves in precise use of language, and proofreading your words, you kinda went off on that. Even though I approached you privately about it. It was a little thing that went on for like 2 days.
It was years ago, but you have never been the same. Always ready to argue with me, always needing the final say, always needing to me right.
Even when I backed off, you would look for other times to have word duels. And perhaps that's why you don't like when I choose to "argue with pictures" or "links".
But, I don't care. It's out there. If you genuinely forgot, I forgive you. If you don't want to admit it, OK. I will be "the crazy guy inventing lies". I don't even need those who witnessed it to vouch for me.
Prodigal is dead. So was his delusions of who his peeps were.
I wish you peace.
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Who's memory is flaky now?
Are you really P?
I was like:
"Yo, P...don't you think it's a little weird that, your upcoming stack/web server is called "Revolver" but your moniker is "Pistolero"?"
And you asked me to explain, and I was like "um, well, technically, in modern parlance, a pistol is a type of handgun and a revolver is another type of handgun...and...well...they are not the same thing..."
And, as someone who prides themselves in precise use of language, and proofreading your words, you kinda went off on that. Even though I approached you privately about it. It was a little thing that went on for like 2 days.
It was years ago, but you have never been the same. Always ready to argue with me, always needing the final say, always needing to me right.
Even when I backed off, you would look for other times to have word duels. And perhaps that's why you don't like when I choose to "argue with pictures" or "links".
But, I don't care. It's out there. If you genuinely forgot, I forgive you. If you don't want to admit it, OK. I will be "the crazy guy inventing lies". I don't even need those who witnessed it to vouch for me.
Prodigal is dead. So was his delusions of who his peeps were.
I wish you peace.
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@NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds. Lol, too close to home. Except he fashions himself as Venom Snake instead of Revolver Ocelot.
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