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@fluffy @sun Is there actually a problems with "noahide law??"

Per Wikipedia (I know, I know):

The Seven Laws of Noah as traditionally enumerated in the Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 56a-b) and Tosefta (Avodah Zarah 9:4), are the following:

1. Not to worship idols.
2. Not to curse God.
3. Not to commit murder.
4. Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
5. Not to steal.
6. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
7. To establish courts of justice.

Which sounds mostly like a disjoint set of the Ten Commandments. the last two are not in them. Somehow, I've never had a desire to eat flesh torn from a living animal (was a hunter so this was not abstract, mercy kills of wounded animals is a thing), and establishing courts of justice is basic civilization to get you out of the domain of "self help" and the resulting blood feuds etc.

Or given this is a Talmud thing, is the problem in interpretation?

@Zettour @fluffy @sun Again, interpretation of what should (mostly) be clear language. A defining Jewish characteristic.

Not a Talmud scholar ( ) but I do remember for instance coming across claims of the text that said stealing from goyim is or could be legit.

There's also the notorious early middle ages snatching of Christian children to sell as slaves, and after they lost the battle with Christians in the middle middle ages or so, the Ashkenazi at minimum engaging in the "blood libel" as a particularly twisted form of revenge.

There's the problem that murder is an ... interpreted term for lack of a better word coming to me now, vs. homicide, which is simply a human killing another human. Way too much wiggle room for sociopathic Jews there, and to this day against Russians for example. Plus at least some claim gentiles aren't human, or they are a different sort of human....

(Too many of us say the same about negroes....)

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Zettour @fluffy @sun actually i kind of want to because i just enjoy red-teaming laws

idols are anything that doesn't conform to my religion
my religion has god as a fractured entity of which i am piece, so you are obligated to worship me and your religion is evil and must be stomped out if it doens't place me at the forefront
murder applies to those who are fully human, not animals. people without a piece of god (the outgroup) are closer to animals than human, so it is forbidden to murder me and my ingroup but we can kill whatever we want
the outgroup harming us sexually is immortal. since you're less than human, it's moral for us to harm you.
god promised us the whole world. you own nothing. it always belonged to my ingroup. if you try to keep it from us, you are stealing.
how can one define when death truly occurs? is it brain death, the heart stopping, or something else? i say it is when something's death is inescapable, so now that you are tied up in my basement your death is inescapable and i am permitted to start eating you despite your current lack of injuries
the courts of justice are mechanisms that enforce the above. that is my justice.