I was interested to learn that the medical community stopped separating out suicide from depression "with cause" (like your life materially sucks) from clinical depression because it's basically just impossible to do that in aggregate it turns out. sometimes people's life sucks because they have depression and can't fix their life, and sometimes they have big external problems in their life that gives them depression and it's just impossible to figure out objectively which is which. also you can point at objective environmental decline and it can be completely disconnected from suicide rates. like people in wealthy countries sometimes do it a lot more than people in abject poverty. not clear how much this is a measurement problem but the consensus seems to be that it is not.
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@sun i'm guessing "you're sad for no reason" and "you're sad for a reason" was too subjective to be medically consistent and likely had the same treatment anyway
@7666 the big "for reason" was bereavement, like your spouse dies, that was the only one that apparently could be teased out
@sun death being the only reliable source of cause is crazy. for some, life is cause enough.
@7666 also it just plain ended up not being a good scientific discriminator. ok, you lost your job and committed suicide, more people lost their job and didn't.
@sun >doctor storms in
>yells at me
>"THAT GUY GOT HIS DICK BOILED OFF IN A HORRIFIC ACCIDENT. HE'S HAPPY AS A CLAM. WHY CAN'T YOU BE."
>go home
>shoot myself
america
>yells at me
>"THAT GUY GOT HIS DICK BOILED OFF IN A HORRIFIC ACCIDENT. HE'S HAPPY AS A CLAM. WHY CAN'T YOU BE."
>go home
>shoot myself
america
@7666 it's just you can't make a clean line between a cause and the suicide when you are trying to make a predictive model for individuals. it's a big unknown
people with money commit suicide way more than people in poverty and we can't figure out why,
BECAUSE OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT BEING POOR MAKES YOU SO SAD YOU WANT TO DIE AND BEING RICH MAKES YOU SO HAPPY YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER.
there is certainly no possibility that we need to take a second look at our assumptions.
BECAUSE OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT BEING POOR MAKES YOU SO SAD YOU WANT TO DIE AND BEING RICH MAKES YOU SO HAPPY YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER.
there is certainly no possibility that we need to take a second look at our assumptions.