america's over but I still liked the idea
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@sun mass media let us speed run the final 200 years of empire in about 50
@sun i wonder how bad 2028 is gonna be lol
@demha coup at worst
Rubio/vance at best
Rubio/vance at best
@sun how is the second option not the same as the first, id assume people are extremely sour on GOP rn because of donny israel and his ilk.
i cant see them winning anything democratically anymore
i cant see them winning anything democratically anymore
@demha they'll mess with voting is the difference
@sun @pwm It turns out that if you stop watching the news and you discard everything ever said by some rich kid on Youtube, your opinion on this completely reverses.
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@miscbrains @sun @pwm
> Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Please describe the part that does not apply.
> Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Please describe the part that does not apply.
@miscbrains @sun @pwm
> Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Please describe the part that does not apply.
> Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Please describe the part that does not apply.
@sun @pwm You said "culture" not "economy" and not "small town economics".
The boomers are dying, Moon. We're entering a new era. Compare their influence on culture to the previous and subsequent generations.
You need to eat a fuckin' burger. It's fuckin' America Day.
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The boomers are dying, Moon. We're entering a new era. Compare their influence on culture to the previous and subsequent generations.
You need to eat a fuckin' burger. It's fuckin' America Day.
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@pwm @sun You think that's what happened or that boomers elected people that killed industry? I don't remember strip-mining small towns but I do remember the erosion of any economic opportunity outside the cities while welfare propped up dying towns that would have evaporated instead of remaining in the slow-death trap.
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@sun Some people actually think that this place can be saved.
I don't see how, considering how demoralized our people are.
I don't see how, considering how demoralized our people are.
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@p @sun I was using "strip mining of worthy humanity" to refer by metaphor to the force that took my mom and every intelligent person she grew up with out of rural Alabama and into the relatively big city for an education and work. We are referring to the same thing there
I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there. I only grew up in the What that was left.
It's reasonable to assume that my forbears failed me somehow by breaking the great chain of existence in some nebulous way but, while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it. Neither can you, I don't think.
I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there. I only grew up in the What that was left.
It's reasonable to assume that my forbears failed me somehow by breaking the great chain of existence in some nebulous way but, while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it. Neither can you, I don't think.
@amerika @pwm @sun I think it's "avoid upsetting the noisy hardcore audience". The hardcore are a niche audience by definition. But "if we don't do this then people will get mad" combined with "journos suck" and "It turns out the journos are just the fuckup kids of wealthy families and they were sent out to do PR because they were not gonna be useful" gets you pretty close to $current_year.
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@pwm @sun
> the force that took my mom and every intelligent person she grew up with out of rural Alabama and into the relatively big city for an education and work
Well, fair enough. What caused the rush to the cities?
> I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there.
I did spend a lot of my childhood in these places. I saw the small towns erode. I lived in a town that had been a swamp, the swamp was drained for logging, the trees left, there were still people. I saw the push when the banks elected the first banker-American as president in 1992 and we got NAFTA and China was formally awarded most-favored trade partner status and Glass-Steagall was revoked and the technocrats finally got their service-based economy.
"A bad thing has occurred" is not the same thing as "our people are dead and everything shall suck forever". I don't think "service-based economy" fits our national character and I don't think anyone was bought into that system but the goddamn boomers and I'm certain that the damage done will survive them but I do not expect the trajectory to survive much longer than the boomers.
> while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it.
I was not alive in the 1930s but we both can read.
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> the force that took my mom and every intelligent person she grew up with out of rural Alabama and into the relatively big city for an education and work
Well, fair enough. What caused the rush to the cities?
> I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there.
I did spend a lot of my childhood in these places. I saw the small towns erode. I lived in a town that had been a swamp, the swamp was drained for logging, the trees left, there were still people. I saw the push when the banks elected the first banker-American as president in 1992 and we got NAFTA and China was formally awarded most-favored trade partner status and Glass-Steagall was revoked and the technocrats finally got their service-based economy.
"A bad thing has occurred" is not the same thing as "our people are dead and everything shall suck forever". I don't think "service-based economy" fits our national character and I don't think anyone was bought into that system but the goddamn boomers and I'm certain that the damage done will survive them but I do not expect the trajectory to survive much longer than the boomers.
> while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it.
I was not alive in the 1930s but we both can read.
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@pwm @sun
> the force that took my mom and every intelligent person she grew up with out of rural Alabama and into the relatively big city for an education and work
Well, fair enough. What caused the rush to the cities?
> I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there.
I did spend a lot of my childhood in these places. I saw the small towns erode. I lived in a town that had been a swamp, the swamp was drained for logging, the trees left, there were still people. I saw the push when the banks elected the first banker-American as president in 1992 and we got NAFTA and China was formally awarded most-favored trade partner status and Glass-Steagall was revoked and the technocrats finally got their service-based economy.
"A bad thing has occurred" is not the same thing as "our people are dead and everything shall suck forever". I don't think "service-based economy" fits our national character and I don't think anyone was bought into that system but the goddamn boomers and I'm certain that the damage done will survive them but I do not expect the trajectory to survive much longer than the boomers.
> while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it.
I was not alive in the 1930s but we both can read.
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> the force that took my mom and every intelligent person she grew up with out of rural Alabama and into the relatively big city for an education and work
Well, fair enough. What caused the rush to the cities?
> I'm afraid I wasn't here to diagnose the exactly How, but the desert I come from, consisting of only those not worthy enough or not opportunistically minded enough to get out is there.
I did spend a lot of my childhood in these places. I saw the small towns erode. I lived in a town that had been a swamp, the swamp was drained for logging, the trees left, there were still people. I saw the push when the banks elected the first banker-American as president in 1992 and we got NAFTA and China was formally awarded most-favored trade partner status and Glass-Steagall was revoked and the technocrats finally got their service-based economy.
"A bad thing has occurred" is not the same thing as "our people are dead and everything shall suck forever". I don't think "service-based economy" fits our national character and I don't think anyone was bought into that system but the goddamn boomers and I'm certain that the damage done will survive them but I do not expect the trajectory to survive much longer than the boomers.
> while I can draw upon experience to ponder the wasteland, I can't do this for what led up to it.
I was not alive in the 1930s but we both can read.
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@p @sun Nothing sucks forever, but there's two forevers: one on the scale of my lifetime and one on the scale of the whole arc of humanity.
Born just after the height of the most rich and technologically advanced civilization to date, it could be a local maximum, so to speak but I'm not sure I'll be around to know one way or the other.
I think lamentations are appropriate sometimes.
Born just after the height of the most rich and technologically advanced civilization to date, it could be a local maximum, so to speak but I'm not sure I'll be around to know one way or the other.
I think lamentations are appropriate sometimes.
@miscbrains @sun @pwm Specifically it says that governments are Chesterton's Fence and goes on to say that when things are terrible, people will put up with them long after they should. These things are accurate.