Using Firefox at this point can be used as a pass/fail IQ test. Imagine using a browser that deliberately breaks websites.
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@mangeurdenuage I'm serious about this btw. You've seen their incompetence first hand and after they've been notified of breaking websites with their idiotic decisions, they keep doing them anyway.
Now a Firefox user falls into two camps:
a) masochist that enjoys using a deteriorating product that is more broken with every release
b) an idiot blinded by their "open internet" smoke screen behind which only incompetence and controlled opposition is hiding
Remember how WebKit/Safari was clowned on for years even by Apple users for being a barely usable browser? That is Firefox now.
RT: https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115667120638353806/statuses/116527145603842555
@mangeurdenuage I'm serious about this btw. You've seen their incompetence first hand and after they've been notified of breaking websites with their idiotic decisions, they keep doing them anyway.
Now a Firefox user falls into two camps:
a) masochist that enjoys using a deteriorating product that is more broken with every release
b) an idiot blinded by their "open internet" smoke screen behind which only incompetence and controlled opposition is hiding
Remember how WebKit/Safari was clowned on for years even by Apple users for being a barely usable browser? That is Firefox now.
RT: https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115667120638353806/statuses/116527145603842555
@phnt @mangeurdenuage I just don't update it
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>complain about how people aren't as fast as gg overlord, gg who's the one imposing the rhythm amongst many evils
>complain about how people aren't as fast as gg overlord, gg who's the one imposing the rhythm amongst many evils
@phnt @mangeurdenuage I just don't update it
@syzygy @phnt Realistically/pragmatically there's only few solutions, either someone gets around 6M$ in crowd funding non lucrative monthly to be able to hire the manpower necessary to fork FF or they do that but with already existing forks/entities like Icecat.
That's all there is to it. There's no from the ground solution because gg is constantly changing the game, you can't either fork chrome as an anti chrome move as it will only further the market share and value of gg.
That's all there is to it. There's no from the ground solution because gg is constantly changing the game, you can't either fork chrome as an anti chrome move as it will only further the market share and value of gg.
@phnt @mangeurdenuage Right. You should just use the browser that forces websites to do what it wants because of its install base. There will be no negative consequences because of this.
@manfromhuh @mangeurdenuage You've just described Firefox as well as Chrome. There is no winner in the Chrome X Firefox debate, both suck but Chrome at least has the decency to not deliberately break sites currently.
@mangeurdenuage @syzygy The fact that there are still Mozilla Firefox users defending it after Mozilla rugpulled everyone caring about them by removing their "we will never sell your data" clause from the TOS is beyond my understanding. If anything, someone should start building a usable browser on webkit-gtk instead, because that's the last option currently.
@phnt @syzygy @mangeurdenuage remember when that guy everybody hates found contractors on payroll apparently doing nothing
@phnt @syzygy
>we will never sell your data
And what about "Don't be evil" ?
>is beyond my understanding
Maybe because some people currently know the context is shit. Maybe because the only lesser evil choice is not especially to "side" "defend" mozilla but using the less morally corrupt maintainers of the tools as I already pointed out.
In any case it needs financing. So either you do what's needed and you can finance with money a fork or you participate in manpower or telemetry if you don't have manpower.
>we will never sell your data
And what about "Don't be evil" ?
>is beyond my understanding
Maybe because some people currently know the context is shit. Maybe because the only lesser evil choice is not especially to "side" "defend" mozilla but using the less morally corrupt maintainers of the tools as I already pointed out.
In any case it needs financing. So either you do what's needed and you can finance with money a fork or you participate in manpower or telemetry if you don't have manpower.
@mangeurdenuage @syzygy
See, that's the thing. In a sane world, when somebody says fuck you to their core userbase, the users wouldn't defend the tyrants actions and go somewhere else. But here we are. "I guess the other guy is more evil, so I'll accept this slightly lesser evil controlled by the bigger evil." Maybe I'm just weird, but I don't accept the lesser evil just because there's a bigger evil in the room as well.
See, that's the thing. In a sane world, when somebody says fuck you to their core userbase, the users wouldn't defend the tyrants actions and go somewhere else. But here we are. "I guess the other guy is more evil, so I'll accept this slightly lesser evil controlled by the bigger evil." Maybe I'm just weird, but I don't accept the lesser evil just because there's a bigger evil in the room as well.
@phnt @syzygy @mangeurdenuage Most people also don't know that Firefox is only propped up by Google to avoid an antitrust suit over Chrome's market dominance
@phnt i use it because chrome doesn't support a thing i do (freetype patchign) and i dont feel like cumpiling chromium. might have to get rid of it and go back to chrome maybe...
@phnt maybe i could ask the brave devs to implement smth
@phnt @syzygy @mangeurdenuage Ah yes. Just use chrome it was always understood that it will sell every bit of data it can get its hands on. So much better.
Zanzibart, forgive me...
@mangeurdenuage @phnt Mozilla has over a billion dollars in cash to their bank account. What do they spent that money on? Browser development? No, they host gay communist sex parties in fucking Zambia.
@phnt @mangeurdenuage I use Firefox because it has one extension that will never be V3 compliant. But right now I barely use it though so 🤷♀️
@pettanko @phnt @mangeurdenuage haev you tried vibecoding a replacement? probably it works. i vibecoded a tampermonkey script and it worked great after a small fix.
@phnt @syzygy @mangeurdenuage why wouldn't librewolf be an option? that telemetry crap with firefox is alr not an issue on it