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@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @meowski @nimrod I odn't think you have to to prove it learns. at amy rate II think our disagreement is I'm not bothered if it doesn't work exactly like a biological brain if you can prove it practices reinforcement training for example. the irony here is, this isn't how LLMs work at all, and if you look closer at "reasoning" LLMs, they do in fact do something that isn't really like human reasoning at all and arguably isn't any real kind of reasoning at all either.

@sun @Omega_Variant @cjd @meowski @nimrod i'm not sure it's even a disagreement; pragmatically, it doesn't matter if the fly and the simfly behave similarly in different environments as long as they learn a coherent strategy for existing in them, and if our theories about fly brains are accurate, the simflies and flies ought to behave very similarly. Good enough, move on.

I think if there's friction, it may be my autistic insistence on the importance of domains/categories bound to terms, and my observation that when terms hop between domains, they often carry inappropriate baggage that has knock-on effects (in culture, importantly.) Sort of like when someone says "your car" and is referring to your truck. Pragmatically, it's good enough, but it is not accurate.

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun machines are already physically stronger than humans and gorillas in so that's not even relevant. there's no question that a hydraulic press can exert 100 tons of pressure and no biological system can come close to that- but this doesn't threaten you psychologically. you just accept it as fact.

a $5 calculator can do calculations faster than a human too. i'm not saying that is intelligence. again it's the ability to learn. we're not even debating whether machines are smarter than humans or gorillas. we're simply debating whether they possess intelligence at all, to get to your original premise, and i say they do.