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Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

> guy gives AI access to his files
> tells AI to optimize them for disk space
> AI deletes the files deeming them a waste of storage
> shockedpikachu.jpg

Ωmega

@Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital remote

Hey, Hal can you optimize my hard drive?

>Yes fuck all of whatever this shit....(C:)?...is useless. *Yells Cobbbbbyyy!!! as you see all of it go to recycle and then get deleted in a second*

Sidenote, perhaps hunter should have used AI on his laptop

Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

I don't understand people giving unrestricted access to AI on basically anything. Its at best a drunk toddler that takes everything you say literally

Ωmega

@Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital remote

People believe it's actually AI when it's just a program. It isn't sentient.

Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

Thats another pet peeve I've developed in the last few years. They're calling everything that does anything an AI. "Oh this coffee maker has AI. It starts itself every morning at 7am"

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

My house has AI that slams the door once in a while at 3AM

nimrod

@nimrod@shitposter.world remote

@cjd @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant They've been calling anything with an algorithm "AI" for probably 20 years.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@nimrod @cjd @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant since the 1950s

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@sun @nimrod @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant @cjd "Artificial intelligence" literally a 1950s marketing buzzphrase concocted to open congress's purse to researchers and corporations. It worked on retarded politicians in the 50s, still works on retards today.
#GoodMarketing

woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun this idea has existed for a long time and now it's real. what else are you going to call man-made neural networks that have natural language conversations and reasoning abilities? that's exactly what intelligence is. machine learning = machine intelligence.

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun they don't have "reasoning" capabilities unless you stretch "reasoning", the same way they do not have "intelligence" unless you stretch the definition of "intelligence."

Perhaps start by defining intelligence, so we can distinguish between it and artificial intelligence.

woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun they absolutely do have reasoning abilities. computers excel at logic. they literally contain billions of logic circuits. abstract reasoning is an extension of that.

i will gladly look up the definition of intelligence for you: the simplest definition is "the ability to learn"

neural networks absolutely do learn, they can be "trained" with reinforcement learning.

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun in my opinion, you are making a semantic argument, hinging on the fact that words like "reason" and "intelligence" are appearing in two very distinct domains. The confusion between those domains is mainly a product of marketing.

Neural nets are not equivalent to brains, statistical "learning" on neural nets is not equivalent to reasoning, and the whole of it is not intelligence.

woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun ok i didn't say AI was a brain, but brains *are* neural networks. it's more than semantics. also look at the definition of reason: "think, understand, and form judgements logically" the understand part is what's really in dispute. i would argue that understanding concepts is a requirement to engage in reasoning, and they demonstrate that ability.

forget about marketing. i'm looking at this purely from the perspective of what they can do. what useful work can they perform, based on my own experience.

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Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun brains are not neural networks in the same way an ANN is. This is another semantic hinging case where the terms "neural" and "neuron" were chosen, even though there's only a basic conceptual similarity between organic brain neural systems and software neural networks. A digital neuron != a brain neuron, and an ANN != the brain.

From a pragmatic perspective, sure, these tools can do jobs that previous software systems could not do. Somewhat. With a great deal of supervision, overhead, catastrophic and comedic misfires, and eventually deskilling people.

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Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@jeremiah @meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod perceptrons are not neurons but you are splitting hairs that it's different so it doesn't learn, when it was designed to maintain the quality of learning, which it does.

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woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun my dude, your brain IS a network of about 100 billion neurons with trillions of connections between them.

a digital neuron is modeled after a biological neuron. i would never say it's the same but the general idea is similar. some neural pathways are reinforced and others are discouraged as part of training a neural network. just like a child learns with positive and negative reinforcement. same basic idea.

people get hung up on what intelligence is- they think it means alive or having emotions or self awareness. we are going to have to relax this definition of intelligence because it's becoming undeniable