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The thing is that it doesn't seem like there is any organization occuring at all. Obviously I get that you can't just say I'm going kill person x or I'm organizing a rw terror group or whatever on public social media - but all kinds of people say "there is no political solution" as a thought terminating cliche to indicate that they are fully checked out and doing nothing, with no impetus to go beyond that. Which is stupid. You might as well try politics if you're gonna not do anything else.

And if you really think there's no political solution you should probably act like you think there is one anyway to keep the heat off your schemes. So really saying "there is no political solution" is completely worthless from every angle except maybe as a completely theoretical statement.

The Greeks lost Rome in 476AD. What had been the Western Empire fell into a dark age for over a century.

The Soviet Collapse comprised the end of social safety nets that some 10% of the genpop had depended upon to survive (mostly elderly/infirm).

In neither case were these absolute chaos breaking out everywhere all of a sudden - that’s not the only meaning of “civilizational collapse” though.

The West collapsed in 2008, resulting in the Global Financial Crisis; and while it was pretty wild in some ways, I wasn’t exactly seizing fuel deliveries to gas up my Hilux with the roof-mounted .50 cal. But we did show up in the middle of town with literal torches and pitchforks; that was fun.

You see, absolutely nothing collapsed in 2008. I spent that year playing halo 3 and studying. I couldn't get a job despite doing a lot of applications but on a civilization level it was chill. A little peasant revolt (or just protest) like you participated in does not a collapse make. If you want to see real collapses in the relatively recent past you have to look at post colonial Africa. They really don't exist anywhere else.

I will say that the fall of the western Roman empire is an exception. But not something to hope for and a truly rare historical event long in the making. America will just become a favela pocked shithole long LONG before it actually "collapses"