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I just learned that the "6 million Jews died in the Holocaust" does not include the number of non-Jewish demographics. I always thought it was "6 million people, which include Jewish and gay and trans and black and Romani and Communists and so on". It turns out the Nazis killed a LOT more people than just 6 million. Numbers appear to be a death toll of around 11–13+ million people killed in the Holocaust.

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honestly this always shocked me when I'd see it discussed online. idk if its canadian schools in general or just the schools from where I grew up, but we were always told that around 12 to 13 million people died in the holocaust. it was never "6 million jews", it was "12-13 million people". seeing the 6 million statistic talked about online all the time, or the perception that it was only jewish people, always felt so shocking. idk if its just a us thing or something? but like, I've never understood why half of the victims just... don't get talked about.

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@Alex

I hardly remember any WW2 stuff from school (in Canada) other than the typical stuff associated with Remembrance Day. Never was that interested in WW2 anyway, so maybe I just tuned it out. But as to the 6,000,000 thing, everyone who does love the topic is always going on and on about it. Especially when Jewish. Not long ago I decided to do my own research on the subject and found out the 6,000,000 figure and use of the term "holocaust" in relation to persecuted Jews predates WW2 by about a century and is intrinsically associated with Zionist propaganda.

Here're some examples. I found even earlier references than the below via google books, but not long after the links (w/ quoted text) were either taken down or paywalled.

From 1892: "The New Exodus: A Study of Israel in Russia" pg 25, By Frederic Harold
https://archive.org/details/newexodusstudyof00fred/page/24/mode/2up

https://www.nytimes.com/1869/09/12/archives/sunday-notes.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1869/10/31/archives/religious-intelligence.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1889/02/10/archives/how-many-jews-are-there.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1900/06/11/archives/zionists-mass-meeting-leaders-in-the-movement-arouse-enthusiasm-at.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1903/05/16/archives/more-details-of-the-kishineff-massacre-in-some-places-jews-managed.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1903/05/20/archives/how-this-country-should-regard-russia-longstanding-friendship.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1904/10/20/archives/zangwill-here-to-aid-jewish-colony-scheme-author-talks-of-englands.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1905/11/01/archives/pobiedonostzeff-resigns-chief-procurator-of-the-holy-synod-most.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1905/11/10/archives/begs-president-to-act-simon-wolf-asks-how-long-the-russian.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1910/03/13/archives/many-jews-flee-from-russia-report-of-german-central-relief.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1910/04/11/archives/russian-jews-in-sad-plight-worse-than-under-plehve-magnes-says.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1911/10/31/archives/churches-in-plea-to-czar-for-justice-creeds-unite-in-effort-to-end.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1911/12/10/archives/memorandum-prepared-by-a-distinguished-russian-jurist-for-an.html

From 1911: January 1, "American Jewish Year Book, Vol. 13: 1911-1912", "Annual Report of the American Jewish Committee" pg 308
https://ajcarchives.org/Portal/Yearbooks/en-US/RecordView/Index/2273

https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn83030272/1915-06-06/ed-1/?sp=49
https://www.nytimes.com/1918/10/18/archives/1000000000-fund-to-rebuild-jewry-six-million-souls-will-need-help.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1919/09/08/archives/ukrainian-jews-aim-to-stop-pogroms-commission-to-visit-europe-and.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1919/11/12/archives/tells-sad-plight-of-jews-felix-m-warburg-says-they-were-the-worst.html
https://archive.org/details/per_atlanta-constitution_1920-02-23_52_254/page/n2/mode/1up
https://www.nytimes.com/1920/05/07/archives/jewish-war-aid-gets-100000-gift-nathan-straus-tells-sympathy-for.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1921/07/20/archives/begs-america-save-6000000-in-russia-massacre-threatens-all-jews-as.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1933/03/29/archives/aldermen-vote-hitler-protest-board-calls-on-washington-to-take.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1935/09/08/archives/congress-defends-polish-jews.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1936/05/31/archives/americans-appeal-for-jewish-refuge-propalestine-federation-asks.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1938/02/23/archives/jewish-teachers-chided-by-isaacs-borough-head-tells-sectarian-group.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1939/01/15/archives/masaryk-to-work-for-zionist-cause-exczech-envoy-speaking-at.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1942/12/13/archives/tardy-war-report-held-aid-to-faith-rabbi-schachtel-asserts-pearl.html

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