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@sun They are literally calculating all the rain that falls in a field as "water required to proceed beef". Without the cows, the water still falls and lands on the ground.
@ned that counts for the same reason that states regulate rain barrels
Does anything improve if you remove said cows from the field? The rain still falls, the water still seeps into the ground. Shitlibs are still retarded.
@BroDrillard @ned yes, a million cows affect the environment
@sun @BroDrillard @ned both positively and (if you buy the carbon pollution frame) negatively. several billion humans also effect the environment. several trillion algae do, too.
@jeremiah @BroDrillard @ned cows do not affect the environment net positive and the point is not that anyway, the point is if all you say is “it uses water” then you have to reckon with other things that use water but they don’t
@jeremiah @BroDrillard @ned meat production is very resource intensive, you can read about it, there is a lot to summarize but it’s not just “free” because they’re animals on land
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10@sun @BroDrillard @jeremiah It is. But see it also produces meat. And IMO that's a good and useful use of resources.
@ned @BroDrillard @jeremiah it is. So is compute by many people. Similarly people complain about the gpu resources but never explain how solving business problems is less valuable than playing Call of Duty on a gpu. They’re all things humans want to do
@sun@shitposter.world @ned@noauthority.social @BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital @jeremiah@shitposter.world Compute is definitely tasty and contains many calories.
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The business issue of adding numbers ?
The business issue of transferring information to one side of the world to another ?
Haven't we solved these already ?
The business issue of adding numbers ?
The business issue of transferring information to one side of the world to another ?
Haven't we solved these already ?
@mangeurdenuage @sun @BroDrillard @ned apparently there's a business case for LLMs in the same way that any stupid trend creates a business case, but human survival doesn't depend on it the way it depends on food.
@jeremiah @BroDrillard @ned @sun
>but human survival doesn't depend on it the way it depends on food.
>human survival doesn't depend on it
>but human survival doesn't depend on it the way it depends on food.
>human survival doesn't depend on it
@sun @jeremiah @BroDrillard @ned not to mention wastewater runoff from CAFOs contains pathogens, hormones, and pharmaceuticals which ends up in the drinking water supply and turns the frogs gay 
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1817674/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1817674/
@sun @BroDrillard @ned @jeremiah let's do some math
1200 pound steer, you can expect a 740 – 770 pound carcass.
a steer drinks ~75 liters a day, and oldest at slaughter is going to be 2 years / 24 months
365 * 2 = 730 days
730 * 75 liters = 54,750
54,750 / 750 pounds = 73 liters for drinking water only
now let's do their feed
20 pounds grain mix per day is max, this is made of 30% oats 30% barley 40% corn
based on available data:
21 gallons / pound of corn = ~79 liters
290 gallons / pound of oats = 1,097 liters
~346 gallons / pound of barley = 1,310 liters
(1310 / 100) * 30 = 393 liters
(1097 / 100) * 30 = 329 liters
(79 / 100) * 40 = 31 liters
~ 753 liters / pound of grain mix
20 pounds per day * 753 liters = 15060 liters of water for feed inputs
15060 * 730 days of steer age = 10,993,800 liters
10,993,800 liters for all feed inputs / 750 pounds of beef = 14658 liters per pound
14658 feed + 73 liters of drinking water = 14731 liters per pound
seems pretty fucking close to 15,000 liters per pound of beef to me
1200 pound steer, you can expect a 740 – 770 pound carcass.
a steer drinks ~75 liters a day, and oldest at slaughter is going to be 2 years / 24 months
365 * 2 = 730 days
730 * 75 liters = 54,750
54,750 / 750 pounds = 73 liters for drinking water only
now let's do their feed
20 pounds grain mix per day is max, this is made of 30% oats 30% barley 40% corn
based on available data:
21 gallons / pound of corn = ~79 liters
290 gallons / pound of oats = 1,097 liters
~346 gallons / pound of barley = 1,310 liters
(1310 / 100) * 30 = 393 liters
(1097 / 100) * 30 = 329 liters
(79 / 100) * 40 = 31 liters
~ 753 liters / pound of grain mix
20 pounds per day * 753 liters = 15060 liters of water for feed inputs
15060 * 730 days of steer age = 10,993,800 liters
10,993,800 liters for all feed inputs / 750 pounds of beef = 14658 liters per pound
14658 feed + 73 liters of drinking water = 14731 liters per pound
seems pretty fucking close to 15,000 liters per pound of beef to me
@feld @BroDrillard @jeremiah @sun 99.5% of which is the growing of crops. Tell me, what is the negative environmental impact of using water to grow crops if sufficient water is already available?
@sun @BroDrillard @ned it's a fair statement, but it applies to literally all agriculture. The impact depends very much on the farming technique -- intense chemical-source corn feed vs. low-impact pasture grazing, and where -- sparse land with pumped water vs. pastureland with bodies of water. That's before we get to things like processing, mileage, refrigeration, distribution.