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Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

> guy gives AI access to his files
> tells AI to optimize them for disk space
> AI deletes the files deeming them a waste of storage
> shockedpikachu.jpg

Ωmega

@Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital remote

Hey, Hal can you optimize my hard drive?

>Yes fuck all of whatever this shit....(C:)?...is useless. *Yells Cobbbbbyyy!!! as you see all of it go to recycle and then get deleted in a second*

Sidenote, perhaps hunter should have used AI on his laptop

Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

I don't understand people giving unrestricted access to AI on basically anything. Its at best a drunk toddler that takes everything you say literally

Ωmega

@Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital remote

People believe it's actually AI when it's just a program. It isn't sentient.

Big "T" Larrity

@CobaltSasquatch@nicecrew.digital remote

Thats another pet peeve I've developed in the last few years. They're calling everything that does anything an AI. "Oh this coffee maker has AI. It starts itself every morning at 7am"

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

My house has AI that slams the door once in a while at 3AM

nimrod

@nimrod@shitposter.world remote

@cjd @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant They've been calling anything with an algorithm "AI" for probably 20 years.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@nimrod @cjd @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant since the 1950s

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@sun @nimrod @CobaltSasquatch @Omega_Variant @cjd "Artificial intelligence" literally a 1950s marketing buzzphrase concocted to open congress's purse to researchers and corporations. It worked on retarded politicians in the 50s, still works on retards today.
#GoodMarketing

woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun this idea has existed for a long time and now it's real. what else are you going to call man-made neural networks that have natural language conversations and reasoning abilities? that's exactly what intelligence is. machine learning = machine intelligence.

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun they don't have "reasoning" capabilities unless you stretch "reasoning", the same way they do not have "intelligence" unless you stretch the definition of "intelligence."

Perhaps start by defining intelligence, so we can distinguish between it and artificial intelligence.

woodland creature

@meowski@fluf.club remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun they absolutely do have reasoning abilities. computers excel at logic. they literally contain billions of logic circuits. abstract reasoning is an extension of that.

i will gladly look up the definition of intelligence for you: the simplest definition is "the ability to learn"

neural networks absolutely do learn, they can be "trained" with reinforcement learning.

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod @sun in my opinion, you are making a semantic argument, hinging on the fact that words like "reason" and "intelligence" are appearing in two very distinct domains. The confusion between those domains is mainly a product of marketing.

Neural nets are not equivalent to brains, statistical "learning" on neural nets is not equivalent to reasoning, and the whole of it is not intelligence.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@jeremiah @meowski @Omega_Variant @cjd @nimrod computer neural nets are a mathematical approximation of a component of biological brains and the definitely do learn. they don't learn as well as a complex mammal brain because a mammal brain is a network of many neural nets dedicated to specific purposes. entire fruit fly brain has been simulated.

nimrod

@nimrod@shitposter.world remote

@sun @jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @meowski I know we have the map of the entire fruit fly brain but do we actually know what every component of it does? Do we know every biological function it controls and how it interprets data from the eyes and ears?

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@nimrod @Omega_Variant @cjd @jeremiah @meowski there are entire classes of drugs where we know they work but we don't know why they work. we can feed the fly brain into a computer and simualte an environment around iit and it navigates it and learns

Jezza™

@jeremiah@shitposter.world remote

@sun @nimrod @Omega_Variant @cjd @meowski but how would you prove the artificial learning process is equivalent to the fly's? By behavior alone? How would you test the simulated environment against real flies?

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@jeremiah @Omega_Variant @cjd @meowski @nimrod I odn't think you have to to prove it learns. at amy rate II think our disagreement is I'm not bothered if it doesn't work exactly like a biological brain if you can prove it practices reinforcement training for example. the irony here is, this isn't how LLMs work at all, and if you look closer at "reasoning" LLMs, they do in fact do something that isn't really like human reasoning at all and arguably isn't any real kind of reasoning at all either.

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Stamp

@stamp@abyss.cafe remote

@sun@shitposter.world @jeremiah@shitposter.world @Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital @cjd@pkteerium.xyz @meowski@fluf.club @nimrod@shitposter.world Not sure if accurate simulation. I thought fruit flies liked bad apples.

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