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Pawlicker

Pawlicker

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Interesting effortpost dropped about institutional level internet censorship calling it the "closure of the internet". It's very tl;dr but it goes into detail what many of the top social media sites did from 2015-22, and breaks it down into two phases, the post Trump/Brexit era of 15-19, and the COVID lockdown era of 2020-22.

Also it tellingly mentions that it never ended, Twitter just dialed back and everyone else has the infrastructure in place.

Of course there are also people who will deny with a smile that this actually happened.

https://arctotherium.substack.com/p/the-closure-of-the-internet

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Q.U.I.N.N.

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@sendpaws most people don't really know what the word "enclosure" is who probably should. it's exactly what the tech sector has been slowly being drug through post-dot com boom.

there's a book "technofeudalism" about it--amazon et all quietly becoming inescapable commons places (every photographer must be on instagram or doesn't exist, every product must be on amazon or doesn't exist) despite not being subject to commons-esque social regulation (amazon does what it wants and is backed by DOD money, making it relatively immune to boycotts)

i think open communication proved to be too powerful for nation states and its been a really protracted fight to revoke it without causing An Event. (i liken it to a game where controllers are trying to maximize the size of a shape without ever touching the death triangle; a shape that causes you to lose, but there is no way to know that you have found it, as intersecting it causes whoever does so to die.)
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@sendpaws basically we have known fail states which are few but well identified

- when food costs more than about 50% of day wages, peasant revolt is guaranteed
- when privileges are granted and summarily revoked, riots are very likely

its basically a long con of measuring out how much you can take back at a time, normalizing it, and repeating, the "boiling the frog" strategy, where by the time a resistance forms they implicitly accept most of your control anyway (they're arguing to undo your latest power grab, not that your entire paradigm of control was never valid to begin with)
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Pawlicker

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@icedquinn That's why this post is so good, it basically says that internet clampdowns did not change public opinion but rather radicalized people harder because "the jews did this" wasn't a funny joke anymore after seeing the people you like be targeted by the NGOs.

It also failed at a lot of goals, from keeping Trump out to the rise of the populist right in Europe, to trying to keep people up to date with the latest COVID script because turns out all it did was make people lose trust. Instead, those ended up happening because of how people felt about real world issues.

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@sendpaws i think the 'jew shield' concept is falling apart. the left hates israel nowadays and stuff like massie's firing nakedly exposes disproportionate representation.

it turns out people only tolerate "hitler happened once" for so many school bombings.
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@subnetter @sendpaws yeah but israel sponsors this particular narrative.

they need the hitler story to buy legitimacy and people have been exceptionally generous with selling it to them. the more the state starts acting like literal hitler i think the more people have gotten cross with this.

britain has even outright said shit like "they act in ways that make it difficult for their allies to support them"
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@icedquinn @sendpaws >i think open communication proved to be too powerful for nation states and its been a really protracted fight to revoke it without causing An Event. (i liken it to a game where controllers are trying to maximize the size of a shape without ever touching the death triangle; a shape that causes you to lose, but there is no way to know that you have found it, as intersecting it causes whoever does so to die.)
I think what's worse is they're choosing synthesis over surrender or fighting it, so now you have a public-private blend of oppression where the government part of it makes it inescapable and the corporation part of it makes it unaccountable, and it can shapeshift between the two as needed. See: Palantir and Flock
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@sun @icedquinn @sendpaws @subnetter They've been at it since before they were jews proper. They love to complain about Rome tearing them five new assholes, but it took three civil wars, genocide of roman families and merchants before Rome had any sort of real presence in the region, and literally turning every settlement they had into little forts after mobilizing all their population against Rome to get there.
I'm pretty sure it was similar in Egypt too, since their behaviour has been consistent for as long as we have proper records.
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@nerthos @icedquinn @sendpaws @subnetter there's clearly some european-derived racism in the mix too, like hostility to ethiopian jews but I don't really see how you can separate israel from judaism, a lot of its characteristics are definitely derived from that and not just western colonialist attitudes. when I lived in arizona I knew a sephardic jew that told me about how shitty she was treated by other jews in america.
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caohuak

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@silverpill @sendpaws >But everyone is still using centralized platforms like there is no tomorrow.

While things might be slightly better on decentralized platforms like Fedi, they aren't much better; the obsession with "censorship" has spread here too. If it hadn't reached this place, most instances wouldn't have such a long list of rules, but rather a simple code of conduct that everyone could agree on.

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silverpill

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@caohuak @sendpaws I think there is a big difference between being defederated and being deplatformed. In fediverse you don't need to start from scratch, you can move between servers and you can start your own.

Some people may not like you and be very loud about it, but ultimately they only have as much power as others give them. The best strategy is to ignore the haters and keep doing your own thing.

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Phantasm

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@silverpill @theorytoe @sendpaws @caohuak
>What this part of the network doesn't have, apparently, is people who will be interested in growing it.

If you know of people that won't destroy the culture of the network and seek power over everyone like in the great Twitter to Mastodon exodus over 5 years ago, I would be interested. Main thing this network needs is gatekeeping that prevents takeovers of the network. It has been taken over enough as it currently is.
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Phantasm

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@silverpill @theorytoe @sendpaws @caohuak

> In my opinion "the culture" is not worth preserving
The current one likely is not worth it. The one from 5+ years ago was, but now is too late for that.

>I nominate everybody in this thread.
I meant it in "Do you know someone that should be here, but isn't yet." way. Because I genuinely struggle with that, the only one I know doesn't care about social media besides following artists (he would hate misskey.io). You can grow the network with interesting features, but at this point I'm not convinced that if you make a good alternative to walled gardens, people will naturally come. We've had that already and it didn't end well.
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Pawlicker

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@phnt @theorytoe @silverpill @caohuak my theory with migration is that "the normies" will only come if it's polished, normie friendly, marketed, and used enough. Normies have a huge mentally-imposed barrier to anything new/different where the second anything goes wrong they give it up and want their Windows back.

Apple is the only company who could bypass this, take a guess on why.

The "culture" kind of rotted with the great Keffals/LFJ op to shutdown Kiwi Farms and the userbase there used it as a bunker for a while, along with poasties, Jim being banned on Twitter for a while, and then the Mastodon side trying to take over before being given their own reservation to be on (Bluesky). I unfortunately wasn't there for much of the old stuff, I literally tried to use SPC when it was a GS instance and it felt like me and a few friends were trying to force ourselves to use it.

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