Please be true, this would be fkn amazing
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but not the pols who treat late term abortion like a sacrament?
@spacemanspiff @augustus
Meanwhile in the BuyBull...
Exodus 21:22-23
When a man strikes a woman and causes her to miscarry, it doesn't require
payment of a life for a life unless the mother dies.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/21.htm
Numbers 3:15
Moses conducts a census, but is told not to count babies under 1 month of age.
https://biblehub.com/numbers/3.htm
Numbers 5:20-27
If a woman is unfaithful to her husband and becomes pregnant, he is required
to take her to a priest for an abortion (conducted by the holy spirit via a
cursed magic potion).
https://biblehub.com/numbers/5.htm
If you need a longer list of all the instances where Yahweh demands and/or blesses the murder of infants, I'll be happy to oblige.
Meanwhile in the BuyBull...
Exodus 21:22-23
When a man strikes a woman and causes her to miscarry, it doesn't require
payment of a life for a life unless the mother dies.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/21.htm
Numbers 3:15
Moses conducts a census, but is told not to count babies under 1 month of age.
https://biblehub.com/numbers/3.htm
Numbers 5:20-27
If a woman is unfaithful to her husband and becomes pregnant, he is required
to take her to a priest for an abortion (conducted by the holy spirit via a
cursed magic potion).
https://biblehub.com/numbers/5.htm
If you need a longer list of all the instances where Yahweh demands and/or blesses the murder of infants, I'll be happy to oblige.
@toiletpaper @spacemanspiff @augustus none of those are refering to abortions, Satanist.
God hates the shedding of innocent blood.
@rw @spacemanspiff @augustus
> one of those are refering to abortions
Numbers 5:20-27 was specifically about the legal requirement to obtain an abortion in cases of infidelity. The rest demonstrate the general attitude of Yahweh concerning the status of infants as living persons, and Exodus 21:22-23 specifically in regard to the lack of legal liability associated with shedding the blood of an unborn child.
> Satanist
That's your superstition, not mine.
> God hates
You got that part right. At least in reference to your own God.
> the shedding of innocent blood.
Lol. Only applies when they're Jewish (and depending on historical interpretation, the right kind of Jew). For just a few more examples...
https://biblehub.com/psalms/137-9.htm
https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15.htm
https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20.htm
> one of those are refering to abortions
Numbers 5:20-27 was specifically about the legal requirement to obtain an abortion in cases of infidelity. The rest demonstrate the general attitude of Yahweh concerning the status of infants as living persons, and Exodus 21:22-23 specifically in regard to the lack of legal liability associated with shedding the blood of an unborn child.
> Satanist
That's your superstition, not mine.
> God hates
You got that part right. At least in reference to your own God.
> the shedding of innocent blood.
Lol. Only applies when they're Jewish (and depending on historical interpretation, the right kind of Jew). For just a few more examples...
https://biblehub.com/psalms/137-9.htm
https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15.htm
https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20.htm
@toiletpaper @spacemanspiff @augustus numbers 5:13-14. She isn't pregnant, the infidelity is undetected or possibly not even real. There is no baby involved.
@rw @spacemanspiff @augustus
In verses 21, 22, and 27, the NIV specifically translates the text to say that this process will cause the woman to miscarry (ie. have an abortion). In the Septuagint (Greek), the corresponding words used in these verses are μήτρα (mētra), meaning “womb,” and the verb used is ἐκφωνήσει (ekphōnēsei), which can mean “to bring forth” or “to cause to abort,” as it does in this context.
The supposed earliest example of this text is fragment 4Q27 from the "post-2002" Dead Sea Scroll fragments which are considered to be modern forgeries without verifiable provenance. However they do contain Numbers 5:11-31 in Hebrew and agree with the oldest authentic Hebrew text of the Leningrad Codex (1008 CE). In that case the Hebrew is לְהַפִּיל יָרֵחָהּ (lehafil yarechah) “to cause her thigh to fall away”, and וּלְהַצְבֹּת בִּטְנָהּ (ulehatsbot bitnah) “and to cause her belly to swell”.
That said, the earliest confirmed authentic copy is Papyrus Fouad 266 (1st century BCE) which has the Greek version, as do both Codex Vaticanus (4th century CE) and Codex Sinaiticus (4th century CE). Suffice it to say that the earliest known context of these passages specifically refer to the consequence of the ceremony as being that the woman will have an abortion as a direct result of consuming the magic potion (in the case she is both guilty and pregnant).
In verses 21, 22, and 27, the NIV specifically translates the text to say that this process will cause the woman to miscarry (ie. have an abortion). In the Septuagint (Greek), the corresponding words used in these verses are μήτρα (mētra), meaning “womb,” and the verb used is ἐκφωνήσει (ekphōnēsei), which can mean “to bring forth” or “to cause to abort,” as it does in this context.
The supposed earliest example of this text is fragment 4Q27 from the "post-2002" Dead Sea Scroll fragments which are considered to be modern forgeries without verifiable provenance. However they do contain Numbers 5:11-31 in Hebrew and agree with the oldest authentic Hebrew text of the Leningrad Codex (1008 CE). In that case the Hebrew is לְהַפִּיל יָרֵחָהּ (lehafil yarechah) “to cause her thigh to fall away”, and וּלְהַצְבֹּת בִּטְנָהּ (ulehatsbot bitnah) “and to cause her belly to swell”.
That said, the earliest confirmed authentic copy is Papyrus Fouad 266 (1st century BCE) which has the Greek version, as do both Codex Vaticanus (4th century CE) and Codex Sinaiticus (4th century CE). Suffice it to say that the earliest known context of these passages specifically refer to the consequence of the ceremony as being that the woman will have an abortion as a direct result of consuming the magic potion (in the case she is both guilty and pregnant).
@toiletpaper @spacemanspiff @augustus there is no mention in the text that she is pregnant, nor of a child coming forth. Only that her (ירך yârêk) will (נפל nâphal)...
yaw-rake'
From an unused root meaning to be soft; the thigh (from its fleshy softness); by euphemism the generative parts; figuratively a {shank} {flank} side: {body} {loins} {shaft} {side} thigh.
naw-fal'
A primitive root; to {fall} in a great variety of applications (intransitively or {causatively} literally or figuratively)
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@rw @spacemanspiff @augustus
Turns out I was wrong about Papyrus 266. That's only part of Deuteronomy (my bad). The Greek version from Codices Vaticanus and Sinaiticus is still the oldest authentic copy of the text available though, and is explicit that it's an abortion. You're welcome to self-delude, but the original context of the text is clear.
In any case, what Abrahamites say they believe, and what they actually do in practice, is rarely consistent. More often than not it's just intellectual gymnastic contortions necessary to expound whatever bigotry they happen to find in vogue du jour, upto and including the genocide of entire civilisations in the name of their pseudohistorical super Jew(s), or Arabian pedo, depending which version of the violent mass delusion concerned.
Turns out I was wrong about Papyrus 266. That's only part of Deuteronomy (my bad). The Greek version from Codices Vaticanus and Sinaiticus is still the oldest authentic copy of the text available though, and is explicit that it's an abortion. You're welcome to self-delude, but the original context of the text is clear.
In any case, what Abrahamites say they believe, and what they actually do in practice, is rarely consistent. More often than not it's just intellectual gymnastic contortions necessary to expound whatever bigotry they happen to find in vogue du jour, upto and including the genocide of entire civilisations in the name of their pseudohistorical super Jew(s), or Arabian pedo, depending which version of the violent mass delusion concerned.