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@dsm @bajax @p @ForbiddenDreamer @noids roughly, there'd be no need for the ban of self defense if it were 100% useless; the bonds formed between fighters and their teachers is concern enough. tangentially, the history of Tai Chi and how it split into the useless wellness practice known today and the underground-- and frankly impressive when properly performed-- grappling sport. It only became meditation focused when China got scared of the word "master" under the guise of credentialism, IIRC.
@f0x @dsm @ForbiddenDreamer @bajax @noids China's got a weird relationship with this sort of thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion .

I think the ones where people fight for money, right, those are a completely different thing from the formalized ones where there are no real stakes; a lot of what gets called "martial arts" are more like dance competitions. Boxing, Muay Thai, you can't afford to make anything look pretty at the expense of being effective, so nobody does the Bruce Lee stance, because it's designed to demonstrate abs on a poster.

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