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@cell lol no

@cell
Plain illegal in binlan

@lain “it comes with the higher pay. higher responsibilities”

@cell oh no you don’t say that smooth. FUCK.

just the nature of IT work

— said by the most non-IT person ever

you should think about whether this is the right field for you

Even a person with that proper field wouldn’t even want to take that if that’s how it goes, You fuck.

@cell it is if you work for a shitty company

@cell @lain those fuckers are trying to justify exploiting you and feel smug about it. I hate them so much.

@cell only for big companies that get users 24/7

i remember oniityan being on call when he was at amazon (he's no longer at amazon

@cell every boss in every field will tell you his field is special therefore you should work overtime for free

@cell i mean, unless it's REAL high pay, sounds like an excuse.

@cell Weekends absolutely not unless you do systems administration. Unpaid overtime is normal-ish and depends on the company. Some will let you use overtime as vacation time, some won't allow that at all.

@cell well i work sometimes on weekend, and at night.. BUT.. there is no such things as unpaid overtime here in germany (at least i think?). When i do such things i get more money and hours, with which i can take days of another time

@cell Place I work really discourages overtime but if you need to do out-of-hours work or work on the weekend (which does happen) then you can just take that amount of time off the next week.

@cell

It's true for me, but it may not be for others.

Reading emails and reviewing code on weekends is not a problem for me. I love the activities apart from my job.

Actually, I have sent hundreds (or maybe thousands) of patches without getting paid, and I love doing that.

BTW, I can sit at my computer for more than 14 hours a day (only given short breaks).

[ Not sure if I will still feel that way as I get older. ]

@cell @lain sometimes but not regularly overtime

@cell @lain "responsibility" is one thing but the more you are paid the less you should be doing. that's the whole point, that's why anyone ever goes after a "better" job or a promotion. don't be afraid to neg your bosses a little, corporate ladders don't favor pushovers

@sampo @lain oh i don’t intend to stay in this place anytime soon
the challenge is finding a new place