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@RustyCrab the market/distributed solution is the old boomer idea that more trustworthy sources will be elevated by the rational choice of the market, but that doesn't really work out in practice because many people prefer bias-strengthening over bias-challenging, which means the market can't really make a rational decision here because people are not rational about it in aggregate

the supply-side solution is regulation, but that's subject to corruption as well for similar reasons to the above

the only other solution is the moral one, which requires moral homogeneity (or at least an overwhelming supermajority). That either takes a period of brutal strife, a protracted national conversion, or something miraculous

I opt for the third one, personally, accepting the long time-frame as a given

@RustyCrab this is why I say it's got to be the moral solution. Any extrinsic rewards that attempt to incentivize it will be gamed by people who lie for their own benefit. It has to be an internal, intrinsic desire for truth that stops a person from lying, and because that only stops that one person (not everyone else around him), it has to be that the internal desire is shared in common among all (or at least almost all) of the people. In a society like that, people who are found to have lied or cheated are essentially persona-non-grata