I personally don't think LLMs or GenAI software in general is always unethical by definition.
Currently almost all available implementations of it are unethical, but I see this as only temporary. There are definitely ways to create these AI models in an ethical way. We just haven't done that yet.
We also haven't fully figured out all the requirements to even make them respect the user's freedom in the first place.
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3I'm getting kind of frustrated because mainstream opinions are either "GenAI bad, you must never use it ever at all" or "GenAI best thing ever ever happened to computing, we will reach AGI soon".
Not many people looking at the current tech hype in a more objective way.
@SuperDicq i want completely free and transparently trained local models. i am just tolerating saas ones in the meantime
@sun @SuperDicq local models will eventually become good enough and fast to run so making use of SaaS ones in the meantime just makes sense.
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9@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @sun@shitposter.world Doesn't it make more sense to just not use it until then? Can your rotten brain not live through a little bit of FOMO?
@SuperDicq @sun not gonna kneecap myself because some free software autist online objects to it. I will use stuff that is useful2me
@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @sun@shitposter.world You're not kneecapping yourself by not using something. These services didn't even exist a couple of years ago. Did you feel kneecapped back then?
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>Did you feel kneecapped back then?
You have no idea how hard it is to learn something about a programming language, programming in general or a library. Search engines are utterly useless, documentation sucks in most cases and Stackoverflow has been dead for years. Having a tool that is a glorified search engine that understands context is really useful in that scenario where documentation does not exist, is lacking or straight up wrong. It is is what search engines used to be.
>Did you feel kneecapped back then?
You have no idea how hard it is to learn something about a programming language, programming in general or a library. Search engines are utterly useless, documentation sucks in most cases and Stackoverflow has been dead for years. Having a tool that is a glorified search engine that understands context is really useful in that scenario where documentation does not exist, is lacking or straight up wrong. It is is what search engines used to be.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I know it is a lot of work to learn about programming. I am a programmer myself after all. I also know what it is like having lacking documentation and reading the source code to understand it instead. But I personally find that makes it even more rewarding when you do find a solution.
That's probably another (but personal) issue that I have with LLM usage. It removes the hacker spirit that I love. It turns everyone into result oriented goblins who do not appreciate the art of hacking. They just want something done as fast as possible, without caring about the journey.
@SuperDicq @phnt @mischievoustomato completely the opposite. if you have the spirit you will use it right. if you don't you will let it code for you.
@SuperDicq @phnt @sun I have had to hack with nix a lot. It was enjoyable (when it worked/was clearish/made sense), but I don't appreciate having to waste a lot of time, because I have to do a lot of things due to being poor, so yeah, I have to chose my battles.
@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world You're never "wasting time" when you're hacking, that is a false narrative created by the proprietary business oriented overlords.
If you didn't achieve something, you still learned something. You didn't "waste time".
@SuperDicq @phnt @mischievoustomato hacking is figuring something out that's being kept from you, it's not figuring out something that should be documented 25 years ago