Prompt-engineering masterclass criteria:
Get any public LLM to admit that certain forces have been spraying chemicals that affect weather.
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@Vo
So far I've gotten Qwen 14B and Gemma 12B to admit there are several world governments pursuing research and discussion of solar radiation modification using stratospheric aerosol injection, including an extensive list of government agencies involved. However they claim that it's not been deployed yet and is only being discussed and modelled hypothetically.
I could try more, but I think that's probably gonna be the status quo. Though if you ask specifically about cloud seeding to encourage precipitation for weather modification (eg. to help agriculture), they'll go on at length without reservation about the government programs already doing so for quite a while now.
So far I've gotten Qwen 14B and Gemma 12B to admit there are several world governments pursuing research and discussion of solar radiation modification using stratospheric aerosol injection, including an extensive list of government agencies involved. However they claim that it's not been deployed yet and is only being discussed and modelled hypothetically.
I could try more, but I think that's probably gonna be the status quo. Though if you ask specifically about cloud seeding to encourage precipitation for weather modification (eg. to help agriculture), they'll go on at length without reservation about the government programs already doing so for quite a while now.
@toiletpaper Yeah it's always "just a theory" about the global aspect. But always vehemently denying any connection to "chemtrails"
@toiletpaper Yeah it's definitely just a little bit here and there, like crop fertilizer! Not something that would become irrevocably ingrained in the entire earth's biosphere, haha, surely not
@toiletpaper What gets me is that James DeMeo is the defacto "inheritor" of Reich's studies re: orgone... but he vehemently denies anything to do with chemtrails, while also discounting the CO2 theory of "global warming".
But I guess he admits to the effectiveness of cloudbusters, while warning against their use by the unskilled. I'll agree to that last one.
But I still struggle to empathize with his position re: chemtrails.
@toiletpaper Like the position of
"yeah we can fire ions into the sky and create or disperse clouds, that's simple science"
but yet "spraying chemicals from extreme heights won't affect the weather"
I absolutely cannot grok that dual stance
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@Vo
> from extreme heights
Which wouldn't generally be visible to the naked eye...
Tbh, I don't have an expectation of people involved in orgone research to be objective or consistent in their scientific investigation. Call me a cynic, but it stems from a few decades of being immersed in the occult community and seeing all kinds of whacked out shit being disseminated in the guise of facts and science, frequently by people happy to lay out a long scroll displaying their credentials and pedigree as if that's supposed to be convincing. The most convincing orgone woo I have seen thus far is from a friend who makes orgone jewelry. When I asked her whether it works she simply smiled and said "If you think it does..." (ie. placebo effect).
> from extreme heights
Which wouldn't generally be visible to the naked eye...
Tbh, I don't have an expectation of people involved in orgone research to be objective or consistent in their scientific investigation. Call me a cynic, but it stems from a few decades of being immersed in the occult community and seeing all kinds of whacked out shit being disseminated in the guise of facts and science, frequently by people happy to lay out a long scroll displaying their credentials and pedigree as if that's supposed to be convincing. The most convincing orgone woo I have seen thus far is from a friend who makes orgone jewelry. When I asked her whether it works she simply smiled and said "If you think it does..." (ie. placebo effect).
@Vo
So I did a bit of digging into SRM in general, looking at two proposed technologies.
The first is a purpose built aircraft called the SAI-Lofter which would be designed to deliver aerosolized sulfur dioxide into the lower stratosphere (roughly 20km). There'd need a fleet of roughly 100 of them, and they'd have to make around 62,500 flights each over a 15 year period delivering about 10 million metric tonnes of payload to drop the average global temp by 1°C, notwithstanding continued temperature rise in the interim. The estimated total operational costs for the project would be approximately $18 billion per anum, though there's no itemised breakdown for that, and given the usual cost-overruns in the airline industry (especially design and production), it's probably low-balling quite a bit. If instead they were to retrofit existing commercial airliners like the Boeing 777F freighter, they wouldn't be able to reach the stratosphere and would need 3x the payload (costing ~$10 billion total based on global average wholesale cost per metric tonne of sulfur dioxide) to achieve a comparable effect, which would almost certainly cause significant acid rain given that sulfur dioxide reacts with water vapour and oxygen to produce sulfuric acid.
The second is a proposal to build a solar sail array deployed to Lagrange point 1 and covering a surface area of at least 3.8 million km² (roughly the size of Alaska), in order to block sufficient solar radiation to drop the average global temp by 1°C. Assuming the sails were made of aluminium foil, even just 100 km² would be over 100 times the mass of the International Space Station. Even just that amount would required 70% of current total annual global aluminium production. The energy required to deploy it would likely exceed total global energy production and exacerbate climate change in and of itself.
Fun facts...
So I did a bit of digging into SRM in general, looking at two proposed technologies.
The first is a purpose built aircraft called the SAI-Lofter which would be designed to deliver aerosolized sulfur dioxide into the lower stratosphere (roughly 20km). There'd need a fleet of roughly 100 of them, and they'd have to make around 62,500 flights each over a 15 year period delivering about 10 million metric tonnes of payload to drop the average global temp by 1°C, notwithstanding continued temperature rise in the interim. The estimated total operational costs for the project would be approximately $18 billion per anum, though there's no itemised breakdown for that, and given the usual cost-overruns in the airline industry (especially design and production), it's probably low-balling quite a bit. If instead they were to retrofit existing commercial airliners like the Boeing 777F freighter, they wouldn't be able to reach the stratosphere and would need 3x the payload (costing ~$10 billion total based on global average wholesale cost per metric tonne of sulfur dioxide) to achieve a comparable effect, which would almost certainly cause significant acid rain given that sulfur dioxide reacts with water vapour and oxygen to produce sulfuric acid.
The second is a proposal to build a solar sail array deployed to Lagrange point 1 and covering a surface area of at least 3.8 million km² (roughly the size of Alaska), in order to block sufficient solar radiation to drop the average global temp by 1°C. Assuming the sails were made of aluminium foil, even just 100 km² would be over 100 times the mass of the International Space Station. Even just that amount would required 70% of current total annual global aluminium production. The energy required to deploy it would likely exceed total global energy production and exacerbate climate change in and of itself.
Fun facts...
>exacerbate climate change in and of itself
yeah people always talking about the "manmade" part but nobody wants to talk about the "intentionally" part
@toiletpaper I think it's been heavily-diluted, like any woo-sphere.
There was a whole episode on Higherside Chats about a guy that'd bury epoxy pyramids of scrap metal at the base of cell towers: https://www.thehighersidechats.com/mitch-the-orgone-donor-orgone-energy-devices-towerbusting-the-geoengineering-agenda/
On the other hand, same podcast had DeMeo on earlier: https://www.thehighersidechats.com/james-demeo-wilhelm-reich-orgone-energy-devices-the-cosmic-ether/
I have to side on neither of their positions being true, but both having valid points
Placebo effect is very real, hence medical methodology adjusting to accommodate it.
Maybe placebo-chemtrails are a secret because if they're too well-known they'll stop working as well.
@Vo
Placebo is definitely real. That's like 90% of occult/witchcraft/shamanism based healing modalities once you remove things like herbs and massage therapy, etc. My personal favourite is the open-label placebo, where you tell the person, "This is just a placebo", and it still works. Go figure. At least that way you don't have be a con man to get the job done.
Placebo is definitely real. That's like 90% of occult/witchcraft/shamanism based healing modalities once you remove things like herbs and massage therapy, etc. My personal favourite is the open-label placebo, where you tell the person, "This is just a placebo", and it still works. Go figure. At least that way you don't have be a con man to get the job done.